I wouldn’t want to stay married to anyone who would play these kinds of mind games.
To be fair, it doesn’t have to be mind games, she could have been in a bad place and somehow figured out for herself that the best thing to do was to end the relationship, but realised that she was wrong. There are people who genuinely believe that they can make other peoples lives better by leaving them (a kind of “you would do better without me, I’m only pulling you down” mentality), that could do something like this not to manipulate the other person, but because they actually care about them, but are in a bad place themselves.
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Ah, the incels made it here too.
You know nothing of women
What the fuck is making all these people talk like this now? I felt like we’ve gone through a phase where these people would be ashamed of posting instead of thinking they’re dropping some hard truths and now it looks like it’s back
it’s almost like all the chuds and bigots are emboldened right now, like they just won some kind of major victory. wonder what that could have been.
This has been building up for some time now, definitely long before the election. Do we not remember the man vs bear debates earlier this year? Incels? Andrew Tate? The world does not revolve around Trump, these people didn’t just pop into existence with renewed spirit on election day. They show up in every thread that they can find some grievance committed by a woman. Especially in greentext.
they were 100% at least signal boosted massively by trump though.
The best we can do is not let them win.
They were “right” about one thing so their objective truth about reality is that they must be right about everything.
Yeah it’s lame and pretty standard.
It doesn’t help that relationships have been commodified and there is general disdain for the concept of marrying for financial security to the point that tradwives were a public concept of how rich guys should treat their wives to keep them humble from the wealth.
It’s weird out here and it doesn’t even shock me anymore.
bro its the internet, they’re always up big. Welcome to the internet.
The internet made people with bad opinions find each other, which reinforced those opinions. Bubbles were created that reinforced the “truth” to the people who participated, and they became circle jerks. This isn’t just true of woman hate, it’s true of all extreme thoughts.
There’s probably a community of people out there who want to, or do, fuck ostriches. Before the internet, a person expressing their desire to fuck an ostrich would become a social pariah. Now with billions of people on the internet, the ostrich fuckers and ostrich fucker wannabes find each other and reinforce each other’s thinking.
These bubbles have different sizes. The ostrich fucker bubble is small. The woman hate bubble is huge.
It was only a matter of time before people figured out they could get a bunch of money catering to the bigger bubbles. Then they write books and articles and make podcasts that the people in the bubble engage with, thereby strengthening and legitimizing these people’s beliefs.
It’s the internet. It has good things to connect over too. Like I had no idea there were so many leftists in the US. But when you find a group that confirms your feelings, you have to balance that out by seeking other views and information to challenge yourself. Once you succumb to the bubble, you stop doing rational thinking because you’re seeing everything through a lens of woman hate, anarchist politics, or sexily feathered ostrich cloacas.
why does this comment make me imagine my memory of women ever existing just getting X men wiped from existence.
You’re not imagining it, it’s all part of the master plan of the M-Men (Male-Men) to remove women from existence and live finally in peace among only manly men
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Is the woman who “needed drama and new cocks as all do at 35” in the room with us now?
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Maybe she just dumb as hell?
Definitely seems poorly thought out from her part
Y’all need to talk more
Completely broken relationship for sure
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What a sad situation. I know a lot of people here think this is abuse and I can see their perspective, but I see this more as a relationship lacking communication. The wife didn’t feel assured that her husband loved her anymore and the divorce papers were a last ditch effort to see if he still does. Sure, just talking openly would be better, but goddamn is it hard to find people who can do that.
I think the fact that she broke down and tore up the papers immediately after is a sign that she really didn’t want to do it and was reacting to his genuine reply.
I think OOP needs couple’s therapy.
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are you and the 93 people who upvoted you crazy??
lmfao in what fucking world is serving divorce papers and then tearing them up right after they’re signed not even just a little bit toxic, if not emotionally abusive?
maybe a fucking adam sandler movie but this is real life.
think before you do stupid shit? other people don’t owe you discretion bc you’re an idiot? “uwu but what about the wife’s feeeeelings???” brother man grow tf up this isn’t a high school fling it’s a marriage. if you wanted to pull shit like this, why did you change it from girlfriend/boyfriend to husband/wife? was that about feelings too?
oop shouldve ran when they had the chance and the papers were signed.
sorry as someone who grew up as a child caught between this stupid shit people like you piss me off so much. this is traumatic for all involved.
Fuck man, I don’t disagree with you. Don’t construe my words as me saying there’s nothing wrong here, but I also am not in the “omg just get divorced” camp, either. I’ve been in great and terrible relationships and I’ve seen behavior like above in both. There’s a massive difference between “I’m serving you these papers to cause suffering or as a shit test” and what OOP’s wife did. YES, her behavior was toxic. Toxicity doesn’t happen in a vacuum.
I’ve been around plenty of guys like the greentexter, too. Aloof, unaware, “women say the darnedest things” types. If he doesn’t see the situation and say, “Damn I got some problems with this relationship that need fixing” then he’s insane. But this guy says, “I love you and I’ve always tried… Man this is weird, better post to 4chan!”
Perhaps she’s been trying to talk to him about it but he’s been acting like a dumbass and this was her last ditch effort to shake some sense into him. AGAIN, her behavior is unhealthy. But if his response to it is to show love, and hers is to break down and back away from the edge, then perhaps there is more foundation here than we’re seeing in the context of this message.
I love my partner dearly and I regret to say I’ve acted in ways like this before during difficult times. Love is fucking hard sometimes. It’s about how you pick the pieces up and move forward.
i’m sure if we continue down a rabbit hole of discourse i’ll find multiple points where we can agree, but overall it seems we might have different outlooks on life.
that’s okay; people are allowed to be different!
i appreciate your civility and hope i didn’t offend.
remember to live well and for others, u/Classy. if only we all could.
Your empathy is commendable but this is fake, homedog
maybe a fucking adam sandler movie but this is real life
In all fairness, that looks like 4chan, so maybe we should lower our expectations here a bit more. I’m sorry you had to go through all that crap growing up. I hope you are in a better situation now.
i’m responding to this one comment but more generally to the sentiment:
i know this is just a green text
however, it still pisses me off. that’s the written word for ya, huh?
i think you’re one of the people who kind of gets that tho, it’s why im responding here.
the well wishes mean a lot, but, i don’t know if you’re ever truly in a better spot after that.
all we can do is make it better for the next guy. i used to think suicide was the answer. i realized if i was willing to hurt myself i should be willing to help.
token “im an atheist,” but i really think it doesn’t matter what you think. things are right for inherent reasons beyond us. only so many ways to cut a cake and all
we did it guys, we found the REAL anon
I like this empathetic take.
Yeah this is a couple who haven’t really talked through their issues and may have some kind of executive dysfunction. A little time being very honest and crying through their own insecurities together would turn their lives around for the better. (executive dysfunction is a big word but common problem with anyone who has depression and/or anxiety. It just means you don’t have a solid distinction in your mind between what you want for yourself and your life, and how your feelings just run away with you and make small things huge obstacles.)
Nah once you’re at the point where you need couple’s therapy the relationship is over
Not at all. Couple’s therapy is just a place for identifying and resolving the issues in a relationship and is useful for when a couple is struggling to do exactly that. Third party intervention can provide a different perspective for those stuck looking at an issue from a specific angle.
Absolutely. I haven’t done it yet, but we’ve been on the edge of divorce several times. We’re in an ok spot right now. If you’ve ever been arguing with a partner and find yourself thinking “This person is totally fucking detached from reality”, then yeah the therapist would probably get your back. Just keep in mind they probably think the same about you sometimes. And they might be right.
Emotional abuse detected.
I mentioned it in another comment, but I’ll repeat it here: This doesn’t necessarily have to be emotional abuse. It can well be a result of the wife being in a bad place, having little self-worth, and convincing herself that anon would be better off without her. Perhaps anon’s response caused her to re-think and reconsider, hence the subsequent breakdown.
It is emotional abuse. Just like it’s still assault if a veteran with night terrors gets a adrenaline rush while waking up at night and beating the wife sleeping next to him in his confusion. It is not intended, but the damage is done. And it’s done by the veteran; or the wife in the OP.
The emotional abuse may be coming from a deep emotional wound, but it’s on her to fix it. She gets to keep her shards, or attempt to fix herself. By choosing to not work on herself she effectively chooses to burden the people around her. And they have no obligation to keep her around.
We all burden each other with stuff constantly. It’s on her to fix it but fixing yourself is impossible tlsince their is no template for what fixed looks like.
It’s also on the husband as much as it is the rest of us to see what level of burden we are willing to take on for those we care about. That’s humanity.
fixing yourself is impossible since their is no template for what fixed looks like.
This is nonsense. Self-improvement is possible based on your own or societal standards.
what they mean by that is “there is only an increasingly less problematic state” you can be in, you cannot achieve “perfection” there is no “correct” model, there are only “ideal models” which cannot be achieved, and merely working towards that, is good enough
People are flawed, some people work through those flaws, some people work around those flaws, and some people just live with them. You cannot get rid of them however, they will forever be a part of your lived experience, and necessarily influencing your psyche. Whether for good or bad, it’s always present.
Agreed
Society does not have the end-all of best of humanity in mind. Often it just means productive at work and cares little for your well being.
You can self improve but that’s not fixing anything. That’s just getting better at not being a burden to others. But the burden is the point. We are all in it together and are a burden on each other. But we do it anyways.
Don’t tell people that they can be “fixed” that is nonsense and just makes them feel more of a burden without the kindness.
The burden is not the point. You should be improving people’s lives, not making them worse. Unless by “burden” you mean like the mundane parts of dealing with living with other people, which is not what I’m talking about.
I do mean the little things. But it also is the big ones. A loved one can need you to help them do paperwork, or they could be dying of an incurable disease and raging against the end.
I’m saying expecting everyone to work to make your life easier to be around them ignores that everyone has their own issues to deal with and we are constantly impacting each other.
It’s good to work on yourself and we all should but expecting it as the only way to be around people is not reasonable for how humanity is. We are flawed emotional creatures.
We burden those we love in lots of ways waiting on them to be fixed to show love doesn’t make it seem like you loved them at all. You love people knowing they can change not waiting until they do.
We all burden each other with stuff constantly.
You might want to think about how you view others. If everyone around you takes their relationship with you hostage, or worse their life, then the people around you are constantly taking advantage of you. On the other hand if you think of others as burdens constantly you need to change the people around you. Go to a different setting, a club or something were different people hang around.
It’s on her to fix it but fixing yourself is impossible tlsince their is no template for what fixed looks like.
Oh cool, I finally have the argument I can use when screaming at my wife.
Sorry for that, but your sentence is just nonsense. Worse even, it’s an excuse. I get the feeling behind it, but she is the one who needs to seek help. Nothing will stick if she doesn’t want it.It’s also on the husband as much as it is the rest of us to see what level of burden we are willing to take on for those we care about. That’s humanity.
No longer a husband. She filed for divorce, remember? Also: even if he still was, he cannot take responsibility for her mental health. He can help, but never do it himself. That’s 100% on her. She can accept help, but it’s a thing she has to do herself. Everything else would be manipulation on her.
Now you spin this as a failure to provide assistance, but that’s not what’s happening in the story. She doesn’t ask for help, she severes the bond.
No, I don’t think of it as a failure to provide assistance I think we choose the burdens we are ok with and you don’t have to aim to fix everything. We can’t fix dyslexia or genetic disorders, and we don’t just demand they figure it out to change nothing.
And it’s not so easy to just pick to be better and yes she has to do things herself. We all do. It it’s not over or even done when they decide to get better. And it is still on the rest of us to accept the burden of their issues to make life safe for them as well.
I point out that you give love first. You accept that people are broken and you love them anyways. I don’t want vapid relationships that only go surface level so that they can never burden me.
Oh cool, I finally have the argument I can use when screaming at my wife.
Ok wow. That’s a takeaway to being told that their is no such thing as perfect or fixed. That’s in you for wanting it as an excuse to be worse.
Ok wow. That’s a takeaway to being told that their is no such thing as perfect or fixed. That’s in you for wanting it as an excuse to be worse.
Good on you for abandoning the unwilling. It sounds horrible, but it’s a matter of cutting costs before you yourself become an emotional burden on others. That’s what I wanted to show.
No, I don’t think of it as a failure to provide assistance I think we choose the burdens we are ok with and you don’t have to aim to fix everything. We can’t fix dyslexia or genetic disorders, and we don’t just demand they figure it out to change nothing.
I have no idea how that matters in the context of a wife filing for divorce and breaking down crying when it’s accepted. Sounds like the husband did everything perfectly in your opinion.
And it’s not so easy to just pick to be better and yes she has to do things herself. We all do.
It’s 100% on her. No wiggle room, no “things” or parts of it. She is the only one with access to her head, meaning people around can help, but never steer. And if she won’t then she will have to find someone willing to put up with her problems. And even that relationship gets thrown out the window the moment she asks for a divorce.
It it’s not over or even done when they decide to get better.
Yes, it’s an incredible amount of work that not a lot of people even begin to tackle. There are even “therapists” that tell people that everything will be fine, that all other people are the problem. This is a problem in itself, which is why it’s 100% on the wife to get better. Bad help is not an excuse to be a dick.
And it is still on the rest of us to accept the burden of their issues to make life safe for them as well.
Then do you it. Why would you make that decision for the husband? Or the wife?
I point out that you give love first. You accept that people are broken and you love them anyways.
And then they tell you they don’t want you in their life anymore. Like the wife did in this story. Would you be the creep that sits by the street lantern watching her every move? Or would you honor her wishes?
I don’t want vapid relationships that only go surface level so that they can never burden me.
Seems like a good call. I’m trying to do the same. This still doesn’t make me responsible for someone’s mental health. It does make me inclined to help when I can, but only to the point where they tell me to get the fuck out of their life.
I disagree, I don’t think these two are comparable.
Physical violence cannot be undone. Saying that you want to leave someone, and then breaking down upon noticing your mistake is something that can be talked through. If someone beats you, and says it was an accident, you’ll still be bruised and feel unsafe around them, even if you understand them and have empathy for them. On the other hand, if you understand and have empathy for a partner that said they would leave you because they honestly though you would be happier without them, you can help them get better and move on.
Physical violence cannot be undone.
Neither can emotional manipulation. You cannot see the scars, but they will bear a violent fruit.
Saying that you want to leave someone, and then breaking down upon noticing your mistake is something that can be talked through.
Don’t be a doormat for emotionally unstable people. There can be a conversation, a couple counseling or something, when people talk to each other. Putting signed divorce papers in the other persons hand is a gesture, not a conversation. There is nothing left to be said.
If someone beats you, and says it was an accident, you’ll still be bruised and feel unsafe around them, even if you understand them and have empathy for them.
Yes, trust can easily be broken by physical violence. It can also be broken by the spoken or written word.
On the other hand, if you understand and have empathy for a partner that said they would leave you because they honestly though you would be happier without them, you can help them get better and move on.
Oh, it sounded like the husband would be responsible for her mental health, but this is about helping? Then yes, you can help someone get better. If she works on herself to get better you can help her.
Just like you can help a veteran with PTSD. If they work on themselves so they can get better.
i think in a strict sense, they are necessarily the same, primarily because time moves forwards, and you cannot move backwards. Physical violence is arguably worse than emotional abuse, but it depends on the severity.
Punching someone in the face is probably worse than a weird emotional breakdown. But gaslighting someone and emotionally abusing them over the course of a few years is probably worse than punching them.
It’s entirely relative. Emotional abuse is often harder, and more complicated to deal with, physical violence is often extremely apparent. (the reason it’s problematic most of the time is because of emotional abuse)
I would leave Lemmy if it weren’t for sane, rational people like you who have empathy and don’t just jump to the most damning conclusions without any insight into the situation.
This doesn’t necessarily have to be emotional abuse. It can well be a result of the wife being in a bad place, having little self-worth, and convincing herself that anon would be better off without her.
Abuse is behavior, not intention. The majority of abuse is not intended to be torture, but is still abuse.
This might be a language think, but as I understand “abuse” implies some degree of intent, repetitiveness, or suppression of the victims response, no?
If someone is punched, you would typically call that assault, while if they are punched on several occasions while being prevented from seeking help, you would call it abuse.
Likewise, if someone is yelled at or scolded or manipulated on one occasion, you usually would say that they were “yelled at, scolded, or manipulated”, while if it occurs systematically over time you would refer to it as abuse.
Please correct me if I’m wrong here
I think you’re wrong here. I think a person can be emotionally abusive without intending to be abusive. They might continually seek to block or inhibit the victim’s response, but they might not think of it as such.
My mother used to harangue me for hours at a time when I was a child. It was a textbook case of emotional abuse. Her intention was to protect herself from me, to raise me to be a good person by pointing out to me when I was being harmful to her. The trouble was, her perception of all this was off. I would hang out with my friends and she would take it as me not loving her, and then I’d be in for hours of her crying and talking to me in this horrible tone and her just laying out everything I’d ever done wrong, and she would be breathless and just keep going.
She wasn’t trying to hurt me. She was trying to protect herself. But she was hurting me.
She was one of the kindest, most generous people I’ve ever met. She was also deeply wounded, and miscalibrated in terms of her sense of proportion.
This is fiction.
It takes a lot more than 3 days to finalize terms of the divorce. It usually takes longer than that just to get both of your lawyers to look over and approve it.
Even if these two people are both lawyers, and decided to represent themselves, you’d need a notary present when you’re signing.
Isn’t everything on anon just fiction?
Probably, but this is lazy fiction. How long does it take to search “how long does a divorce take?”
Suspension of disbelief :)
Yes. You’d be a fool to believe it.
Fully agree it’s a fiction, but couldn’t she have had the papers prepared weeks ahead?
Even if this guy was stupid enough not to run the agreement by his own lawyer, even if there’s no contested assets, etc, he still ain’t signing that thing without a notary.
…you’re boldly assuming they did it the right way.
Given that she’s the type to take it all back right after it’s signed, she probably just googled “real divorce papers” and found the best pdf and just printed it out.
More likely consulted chatgpt, both for relationship advice and divorce papers
I wonder how many relationships AI has already ruined
I’m finally sure that’s the sort of thing that AI would refuse to discuss. Even a true AI wouldn’t be the best at relationship advice since it has no real world references.
It would be like discussing your relationship advice with a gifted 15-year-old, sure they probably understand more science than you but they’ve got a clue about relationships.
Here in Finland I believe there’s a mandatory 6-month separation period before you can divorce.
But also I’ve had 8 beers a gross amount of rum and glög, an ambien or two and all the weed. So… I may not be giving correct info rn. I believed I am, but you shouldn’t trust me.
Depends on the state in the US. I believe some of them require up to a year of separation.
I’ve never been married nor divorced, but I’ve heard friends talk about needing to “just bring him the paper to sign” I don’t know if they’re just stupid, or if there’s an option to just nullify the marriage. Granted these people were very poor and to my knowledge had shared literally nothing financially.
They’re either meeting at a notary, or using a traveling notary service that’ll come to you.
Its like part of the plot of EEAAO. Where the husband gives the wife divorce papers in an attempt to get their marriage back on track…
what if it was fiction from the beginning, but the wife did it as a meme.
Would explain the end of the post, at least.
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it’s always cuckoldry with you freaks
Such a weird obsession. Some people are shitty and infidelity can be terrible but to spend so much mental energy focusing on the humiliation and righteous anger part is bizarre. No one cares you were cucked. Women aren’t property and some of them suck. Everyone understands that some people suck. No one cares you were cucked.
This is dangerously close to a dr seuss poem…
Ned and Ted have a marriage bed
Monogamy is good for Ted
But many hungry holes has Ned
Ned shares the marriage bed
with other men not named Ted
Ted says Ned must quit their bed
Because of commitments that once were saidTed now sleeps alone it seems
For freedom Ned no longer dreams
The problem wasn’t that Ted was cucked
The problem is that Ned just suckedBravo
No one cares you were cucked.
Sounds like I have much better friends than you.
Christ you’re awful.
Yeah Christ is an awful cunt
> lack personal communication skills with wife
> casually post deeply personal and emotional stories on 4chan behind veils of text and anonymity
> oh shit am I neurodivergent and undiagnosed because I’ve never talked with a therapist
If you know what a greentext is you’ve got at least a touch of 'tism. It’s a spectrum.
“The bond is broken, I said!” You can’t unspeak the words.
He should have declared it instead of just speaking.
So… if anon took those papers and just taped them back together, would they still be legally binding if submitted?
Would this depend on the jurisdiction/country? I’ve never thought seriously about whether tearing up signed legal documents constitutes a refutation after they’re signed. (a pile of torn-up papers doesn’t carry any proof of which, either or both, parties agreed to the tearing-up). And thankfully never been in a situation where this question would arise. Also assuming ‘tearing up’ wasn’t enough to prevent taping them back into a mostly-complete state.
I believe filling out the divorce paperwork doesn’t actually make it happen, it’s just an application for divorce.
It has to be filed with the court and a hearing held to make sure it’s all good and then the judge does the thing and you’re divorced.
Mostly this is a rubber-stamping type situation, and the judge mostly makes sure that asset division is done fairly and any children are cared for.
If no one has objections, the money is simple and everyone agrees, and there’s no children the whole thing is relatively simple.So filling out or destroying the paperwork doesn’t actually do anything.
A signature doesn’t offer much proof of which party signed a paper either.
The security mechanisms we use in this society are a joke.
Talking of course would have been better, but I have a sneaky suspicion that this was not the first time she brought it up. I think the first one, he didn’t “care,” and she thought making it seem more serious would prompt some action. I think she was hoping it would be a catalyst for talking/change and not just, “Well, it’s been swell.” Like, ma’am, he doesn’t care. You told this man you fell out of love with him and he didn’t seem to care. Then you present him with divorce papers and he signs them willingly, as well as saying that the bond is broken. You ran out crying because he’s said very clearly that he doesn’t care, doesn’t want to “fight” for you, and did not react at all from the first time you brought it up until you gave him the papers. No “Oh my god, are you serious?” or “Can we talk?,” hell, he didn’t even bring up his own grievances. So now you take a nap on the couch, debating on uprooting your life for someone who at least seems vaguely interested in you, or staying with someone who is seemingly indifferent to you and your grivenances as he’s like “lol, women are so weird” on the internet.
Again, not saying her actions were the most rational, but humans aren’t always rational. Sometimes our emotions get the best of us and we just want to know that our presence matters, and that sometimes leads us to make mistakes. Sad for them both.
It’s fake tho. I mean it’s 4chin the wife is an hallucination
Even made up women can’t escape the patriarchy! /s
“I don’t understand women.”
Whenever someone has an issue with an SO, then extrapolates that to all women… that’s a red flag to me that this guy has a lot more misogynistic views just outside the frame of view.
It is unfortunately common. Pretty much all of the guys I know IRL complain about their SOs with “Pft. Women, right?” And I’m sitting here like… No? Maybe that’s just your SO? Or just your SO when they’re with you?
What if they don’t understand all women? Why do you extrapolate your personal experience to all people… That’s a red flag to me.
This presupposes that men and women are fundamentally and irreconcilably different. I just don’t think that’s true, based on both my experiences and the psychological data I’ve reviewed throughout my life.
It is unfortunately common. Pretty much all of the guys I know IRL base their conclusions on experiences and the psychological data they’ve reviewed throughout their lives. And I’m sitting here like… No? Maybe that’s just your limited psychological data? Or just your subjective experiences?
I’m honestly not sure what point you’re trying to convey, but that’s alright.
But best of luck out there.
Women aren’t even real, calm down.
How could I possibly calm down? Who am I married to then? Fuck!
(That was me joining the joke for anybody who might not get that otherwise.)
Accept it: You are gay now. Resistance is futile /s
Time to embrace my gay side, for sure.
Women and men do have a different way of thinking the majority of the time. It’s about learning to cope with and deal with the other one’s feeling. If you want a woman, you have to be willing to deal with woman moments. If you want a man, you have to be willing to deal with man moments. Simple. Relationships cannot be perfect.
As an AMAB who is vaguely uncomfortable enough with the gender binary to use he/they pronouns but still presents masc in every context — I have met many people of all and no genders who think so completely differently to me it’d be better to use zodiac signs than gender markers to divide personalities (and no I don’t think astrology is real).
it’s complicated. I think generally, women have a different mannerism of thinking than man, primarily due to nuture, women grow up in a different environment, talk to people differently, and experience the world differently, this leads them to a point where you inherently have a different view of the world.
It’s neither good or bad, it just is. Of course this is not a strict definition, and it’s particularly fluid around the middle point, but this is a broad reaching generalization that seems to be mostly accurate.
Men and women have tendencies and subculture, sure. But they’re not mutually unintelligible if you make even a little effort to try and understand the other side as fundamentally human people. For example, by listening to them and taking their positions seriously (even if the specific situation does not call for believing every factual claim).
I think we mostly agree here, just with slightly different framing.
Exactly, you cannot be a good spouse and not take your partner’s opinion seriously just because “pffft women/men”
And this case like most relationship issues comes down to insecurities and bad/non-existent communication. To which, let’s face it, male socialization is a major contributor.
With stoicism and a fear of vulnerability, we’re far too often standing standing in our own way.
That is unfortunately the tendency for men, yeah.
Not sure why you got downvoted because I had the same reaction when I read it. This is your spouse and treating her request for divorce and obvious associated emotional distress as something related to her gender rather than the specifics of your relationship seems incredibly dismissive and misogynistic.
Who knows, lol. But I’m more than happy to engage with people who disagree, so long as it remains relatively civil.
I’ve had plenty of gender-coded miscommunication with my wife over the years. But that’s far, far outweighed by more individual differences (like neurotypical v neurodivergent, mismatched communication habits, and mismatched expectations from how we were raised. Hell even just regional differences.
And when it comes to the other married guys I know, I’ve provided advice (upon request) that basically boiled down to (1) you don’t “win” a marriage, (2) treat her like a partner not an adversary (even if she’s treating you adversarially for now), and (3) be open and vulnerable when you can. It’s amazing how many of them have just… never once heard that advice from anyone else their whole life. Wild out here.
It’s not misogynistic to admit you have trouble communicating with women.
Do you think that’s what’s happening (both in my example but also the OP greentext)? That they’re admitting they have trouble communicating?
I could see a literal interpretation of “I don’t understand women” as a standalone sentence being reasonably interpreted that way, sure. But given the context, I think that’s really unlikely.
I think they’re expressing frustration about not being able to communicate with women, and I think it’s easy to misinterpret that frustration as aggression or misogyny.
To be fair, I don’t mean like, raging, beating your wife misogyny. Just the standard kind that results in overgeneralizing and venting in this particular way.
The behavior described seems like either (1) the wife has big attachment and insecurity issues (maybe a personality or mood disorder) or (2) the anon has major, major communication issues (essentially driving the wife to desperate measures she might not have gone to otherwise). In either case, these are extremes. And extremes really shouldn’t be generalized to the whole gender population, y’know? I can’t think of anything BUT some amount of misogyny that would lead to that type of generalization.
A lot of men genuinely have trouble communicating with all women (beyond superficial day-to-day interactions). I don’t think that’s misogynistic, I think it’s a symptom of a bigger problem in society. Boys aren’t taught how to interact with women, and when they fall back to what they were taught about interacting with other men they quickly get themselves in trouble.
I don’t really disagree with your overall point, I just think that’s being way over generous to the anon here.
Like, do you think talking to your wife like she was a dude is really the only thing at play here?
No. Since you asked, I think the communication issues are most likely caused by both people involved, not just the man. I think the wife (in the OP) was expressing her own frustration when she suggested divorce, then felt like she had to follow through with it when OOP didn’t react the way she wanted/expected him to. It sounds like neither person in that relationship is communicating effectively.
true, just be gay instead.
The behavior of the wife in the OP would never be exhibited by a man, right? So calling it a “women” thing isn’t inaccurate.
Your reply extrapolates OP to mean all women. Which is exactly like when a woman makes a claim about men and men in the comments reply “not all men!” You’re doing that.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding your point, but I could see a man doing what the wife in the greentext did. It wouldn’t fit the stereotypes we have of dudes, but yeah I think it’s possible.
Including the crying and ripping it up?
Really?
In that sequence?
Horseshit.
I mean… what about those actions is impossible for a guy to do?
No one said it’s impossible, but it wouldn’t happen.
I said I think it’s possible. You said “horseshit”. Not sure what you mean other than it’s impossible for a man to do that.
I’m not saying it’s super likely or anything like that. But given this is pretty far off the path from my original comment, I’ll just drop it here.
Best of luck out there.
good memes poster. Come back next week.
You don’t think a man has ever tried to use divorce as a threat to change his spouses behavior?
The whole sequence, not just that one part of it.
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Moids really will just believe a made up story on the internet and then say shit like this. After all, the first thing you gotta remember about any greentext is that it’s fake and that anon is gay.
