The riff is closer to PSY - Gentlemen, which TRBoom caught. But Chainsmokers also ripped PSY so… it at least dates it to around 2012 when that sound was completely inescapable.

I am happy to have helped, happier still to receive Gravy pics.

I found a Facebook video with part of it by searching for ’ “gravy is good” “gravy is great” ’ but no song name, bad quality, and online recognisers gave false positives. Here is the extracted sound, maybe it will help someone remember: https://voca.ro/1nEGIMlFFWIS

Mediterranean genes are fun like that

Ah you’re right, I missed the “impacted employees will receive” line. Tired skimming fails again.

And they just included them all in the ‘to’ instead of bcc. Very professional.

Especially given the events of the last week, that doesn’t seem to have worked either, no matter how direct. The ineffectiveness would also explain why Fuentes has now been doxxed.

Yeah, ridicule or insults are generally not very helpful at promoting positive change, unfortunately. If they were useful, we’d tell parents to insult their children as a teaching method. The fact we don’t recommend that might imply that ridicule is not great for personal growth. Insults usually only helpful as catharsis for the person using them. More reason to be considerate in choice, in my opinion.

Actual good actions are necessary to promote other good actions. I hope we both can do more good going forward.

That’s definitely a fair point that it’s quite indirect, which I think raises another question - why not just directly call the actions cruel / contemptuous / arrogant or belligerent / whatever else? Do we need to describe the person at all if it’s really the actions that we’re trying to discourage? Calling someone a slur, while harsh, seems to be perhaps as indirect as the dead hamster metaphor - if the goal is to condemn their choices.

I think it’s great that you’re considering this, and would like to add some food for thought.

Isn’t it strange how many words in English are insults derived from medical descriptions (and sometimes medical descriptions derived from insults)? Cretin, idiot, imbecile, dumb, moron, spastic… even words we don’t consider insults which do describe disabilities are used to describe bad things. Like being “blind/deaf to <something>” or making “short-sighted” decisions. Our language is a reflection of our culture, and the English-language culture really dislikes human variation.

Finding words with the same harshness can be difficult, and it’s also great to consider what makes a word harsh. Sending a message that behavior is not ok is important too, but I think we need to consider who we include in the collateral damage. Even if we don’t intend it, many of our insults are historically created with bound associations which we perpetuate with their use. For example, moron has close ties with the American Eugenics Movement. That’s something I think anyone with a shred of empathy would want to very much not associate with.

For practical advice on what to do, I’m a fan of using absurd metaphors. The Swedish have a good one for Fuentes. “Hjulet snurrar men hamstern är död” - the wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead.

If you describe something which you consider to be a bad choice as “going full retard”, you associate making bad choices with cognitive disabilities. This is immensely harmful to people with cognitive disability who have to work every day to distance themselves from that prejudice. The association is discriminatory, and a bad choice.