This is a screenshot giving personal information about that sexist rat bastard Nicholas Fuentes. Specifically: Full name: Nicholas J Fuentes Current home address: 1826 Home Avenue Berwyn, IL 60402 Telephone number: (708) 352-7859
Report all you want. This is not getting taken down. Fuck nazis.
I think you mean “enabler”. An ableist is someone who discriminates against people based on disabilities.
Still, your point stands. They’re a fucking enabler clown, or put in a more polite way, a useful moron.
If you describe something which you consider to be a bad choice as “going full retard”, you associate making bad choices with cognitive disabilities. This is immensely harmful to people with cognitive disability who have to work every day to distance themselves from that prejudice. The association is discriminatory, and a bad choice.
which they did, by using an ableist slur, as have you.
Wait, do you think the word “disability” is a slur? As someone with a disability, that’s… just unnecessarily confusing. A slur is a word so ingrained with malice that even someone saying it without harmful intent causes real harm. It takes a LOT to make a word that volatile. There are some things I can’t do, abilities I am disassociated with, disabilities. The issue isn’t that they exist, it’s with the cultural acceptance that they exist, and that I have to do things differently from some others to meet my needs. Trying to govern the word just makes it harder to do that, like you’re trying to sweep them under the rug. I mean, what am I supposed to call myself that someone would understand if I can’t say I’m a person with a disability?
No. “Moron” was the second slur.
Ah, I see. Sorry, I thought they were highlighting that particular part of their comment to draw attention to the slur itself. I suppose that could be construed as a slur, though I do feel as though it’s more often associated with someone who COULD be smarter and more open-minded, but chooses not to be. Maybe it’s a bit pedantic, but I think it’s important that, while we don’t make fun of people for what they are unable to do, we absolutely DO make fun of people for what negative actions they CHOOSE to do. Is there a good word for someone like Nick Fuentes, who is unintelligent not due to a disability, but due to their own bad choices that should be shunned? I’m thinking “ignorant” but that doesn’t seem to have the same oomph.
I can think of a few that might work, but they aren’t common or guaranteed inoffensive. One that does and also describes his role is “tool”. On the other hand, is it really necessary to be that specific when “scum”, " Nazi", “fascist” all fit so well?
That’s fair for his case. But I do think that calling someone something generic like “scum” doesn’t drive home enough what they did wrong. Making fun of such people likely won’t change the person themselves, it’s more sending a message to onlookers that the behavior is undesirable and shouldn’t be emulated, so being more specific about what it is they did wrong is still important. I suppose we’ll probably just come up with new words as the need arises. I’ll have to keep up on the scene so I don’t fall behind, haha!
I think it’s great that you’re considering this, and would like to add some food for thought.
Isn’t it strange how many words in English are insults derived from medical descriptions (and sometimes medical descriptions derived from insults)? Cretin, idiot, imbecile, dumb, moron, spastic… even words we don’t consider insults which do describe disabilities are used to describe bad things. Like being “blind/deaf to <something>” or making “short-sighted” decisions. Our language is a reflection of our culture, and the English-language culture really dislikes human variation.
Finding words with the same harshness can be difficult, and it’s also great to consider what makes a word harsh. Sending a message that behavior is not ok is important too, but I think we need to consider who we include in the collateral damage. Even if we don’t intend it, many of our insults are historically created with bound associations which we perpetuate with their use. For example, moron has close ties with the American Eugenics Movement. That’s something I think anyone with a shred of empathy would want to very much not associate with.
For practical advice on what to do, I’m a fan of using absurd metaphors. The Swedish have a good one for Fuentes. “Hjulet snurrar men hamstern är död” - the wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead.
That’s a great point. The use of a more indirect shunning methodology is interesting; I feel like it’s classic - what was used before the modern point-and-laugh method, but again I worry that it doesn’t drive home the message that the behavior is undesirable. It’s more something that 2 adults would agree is a scathing commentary on the bad behavior, but a child - who is more impressionable and therefore necessary to teach what not to do - wouldn’t understand is meant to be rejection of the behavior. But maybe that’s just another facet to the issue - maybe our society has become too reliant on fast, easy-to-understand quips, when we really need to subtly guide it back to the more thoughtful, introspective lexicon of yesteryear.
On further consideration, “shit-for-brains” might just be the phrase you’re looking for.
But if someone had shit for brains, that would definitely be a disability, haha! Good thing that’s not an actual condition, so it would work perfectly, thanks for the recommendation!
Is “shit for brains” as ableist as “moron” (with added vulgarity)?
(No doubt you’re the kind of person whose heart is always in the right place - love that.)
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No, I never said anything of the sort.
Ah, alright, my mistake. That was the only word in the phrase “An ableist is someone who discriminates against people based on disabilities.” that I could have seen as being construed as a slur. What word was it that you would say is a slur, then?
The word is m*ron.
E: for some reason the link won’t link properly, so here it is, with a good explanation of why:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0388000119302785#:~:text=2)-,Jacob%20is%20a%20moron,-. (it still won’t link to the right part, the whole thing is relevant, but you’d need to scroll down a little for the example)
Yeah, someone else corrected me, sorry about that! I’ll be honest, it’s a word I use myself to describe someone who is willfully unintelligent rather than being disabled. I’m trying to find another word now to describe Nick; it’s important to publicly make fun of such people - clearly being silent about their bad behavior has only made our cultural and political climate worse. “Ignorant” is the closest I’ve gotten, but I can’t see myself pointing and laughing at someone, calling them “ignorant,” you know?
You’re good, apologies if I was a little defensive, people generally don’t react well when you point ableism out, so I had my back up.
“Ignorant” is good, “wilfully ignorant” is better because it implies intent (or deliberate lack of intent) rather than the ignorance being out of their control like it might be for someone who actually has a learning disability for example.
In general, any derogatory term that berates someone for something beyond their control, like intelligence, or that used to be a clinical term and is now used as derogatory, is best avoided, not only because those terms are and have historically been used generally against disabled people, but because they also provide bigots with an “out”, it’s removing their responsability for their own actions.
There are quite a few lists out there with ableist slurs and alternatives for them, here are a couple of examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disability-related_terms_with_negative_connotations
https://www.autistichoya.com/p/ableist-words-and-terms-to-avoid.html
https://therollingexplorer.com/category/disability-advocacy/ableist-language-series/
https://web.archive.org/web/20240112142654/https://thebodyisnotanapology.com/magazine/stupid-is-an-ableist-slur-breaking-down-defenses-around-ableist-language-liberating-our-words/
https://libguides.ufv.ca/c.php?g=705905&p=5193383
https://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2011/04/02/words-offense/ this one is not a list, but a good breakdown on why it’s important to avoid slurs (and spoiler, it isn’t offense) .
Oh, nice, thanks! I’ll check those out!
The WW2 term for them is collaborator.