Anti-NATO protesters gathered again in Montreal on Saturday to demand Canada withdraw from the alliance, a day after a demonstration organized by different groups resulted in arrests, burned cars and shattered windows.
the purpose of the protest was to demonstrate against what he called NATO’s “complicity with Israel’s military while it’s conducting its genocide in Gaza, … war crimes in Lebanon, Syria” and that “it’s enforcing illegal occupation of Palestinian territories.”
However, Allard rejected accusations of antisemitism. He said the protests were against the actions of the state of Israel and not Jewish people, adding that earlier this week the International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
WTF does NATO have anything to do with Israel or Palestine?!
WTF would leaving NATO have any effect on Israel or Palestine?!
WTF are these people even on about?
NATO’s “complicity with Israel’s military while it’s conducting its genocide in Gaza
NATO isn’t helping Israel… (while some NATO members might be, that’s not NATO)
It’s not NATO’s job to get involved with with Israel or Palestine…
Russian propaganda had its way to them
The idea is to dethrone the US from global power because people are sick of us having our boot on their necks.
But the alternative is China wearing the boot and they’ve proven they would kill every non Han in the world
Idk why you’re being downvoted, you gave a pretty fair description of the situation. Even the Han bit, China doesn’t have any anti-discrimination laws and they’re more than 90% Han Chinese.
In the last UK election, an old-school tankie named George Galloway ran a party. One of his candidates, a former professional cricketer IIRC, called for the UK to pull out of NATO to better control immigration. To his credit, he withdrew his candidacy and dropped out of politics a week later once it became apparent how far out of his depth he was.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_218165.htm
https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-backs-israel-and-warns-iran-to-stay-away-gaza-hamas-netanyah/
There is a very good reason the Irish care about Neutrality. The Montrealites are not so different.
Edit: Thank you Chairman Meow for telling me about this: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-blocks-nato-israel-cooperation-over-gaza-war-sources-say-2024-08-01/
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LOL you really thought nobody was going to check the dates on those articles? Hmm, I wonder if anything happened in Palestine since last October.
NATO has not changed its position, that’s the thing.
It has, it was forced to by Turkey: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-blocks-nato-israel-cooperation-over-gaza-war-sources-say-2024-08-01/
All joint exercises and meetings were stopped and nothing w.r.t. aid for Israel was approved. All vetoed.
Holy shit, can’t believe I actually have common ground with Erdogan.
Damn, TIL. Thank you.
And for the first time in my life, thank you Erdogan.
Those young people are being manipulated by Russia! We need NATO.
Organizers and people arrested should be put on a plane and given a tour through Ukraines east… to see with their own eyes. Too many people seem to be unaware why a counterforce to Russia was created in the first place.
Arguing against NATO for the reasons they state just means more people will suffer like the Palestinians do.
Arguing against NATO for the reasons they state just means more people will suffer like the Palestinians do.
I don’t know why you say this. NATO has been supporting Israel, not Palestine
Because they’re able to see the forest through the trees. It’s why refusing to vote for Kamala was cutting off Palestine’s nose to spite its face.
Disbanding NATO wouldn’t do anything to stop Israel and would increase Russia’s genocide of Ukrainians as well as imperil the entirety of Europe.
That was not my point. NATO is a stabilizing force. If you remove it, Russia and others will just go on the war path and more people will suffer…
I acknowledge the suffering of the Palestinians and think that needs to stop. In the past I argued that the war crime angle against Netanyahu should be picked up by the icc… and now they ruled there is enough evidence to issue an arrest warrant.
But NATO does not support these atrocities. Countries in NATO do… but how does the NATO organisation do that?
This seems to be of the same mold as “the UN does not do anything but talk” yeah… the UN is a talking organisation… that’s their goal… keep people in dialogue and serve as a platform to hopefully have member countries do stuff.
NATO is a defense alliance… member countries not actively doing something against Israëls agression does not mean that it would be up to NATO to do something.
I’ll try to put things into some historical perspective, as briefly as I can.
NATO was supposed to be a stabilizing force against the Soviet Bloc. During the cold war that was the rational.
Some claim that it was a tool to confirm and maintain US military hegemony and I tend to agree with this take. After approx 1993, through its interventions this started to be more and more obvious, especially to those living in the global South.
When did NATO go to war outside the Iraq war? I seem to have missed that.
NATO has been supporting Israel
Source?
Some ‘members’ of NATO may be…
But NATO has absolutely nothing to do with Israel or Palestine…
Here is NATO
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52044.htm
You think Turkey is on Israel’s side?.. You’re a goof…
My source for NATO supporting Israel come from NATO’s site. Here are a couple of examples:
NATO Secretary General: “Israel does not stand alone”
Or “indirectly” by claiming in a joint press conference by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and the US Secretary of State, Antony Blinken
that we continue to believe clearly that the allegations of genocide are without merit
Yes, those are US bootlickers stating their verbal support, but NATO cannot participate in Palestine because to deploy NATO forces article 5 must be invoked by a member country and it must be in response to an attack on said member country. That is the core principle of the treaty. It’s a self defense treaty, of which Israel is not a part of.
If any country participates in the genocide of the Palestinian people, they do so of their own volition and not at the behest of NATO. Canada leaving NATO or NATO being dissolved would have no bearing whatsoever on the Israeli genocide. The shared NATO membership may foster relationships and cooperation on extra treaty operations, but these are not NATO operations. To be a NATO operation, it has to be an article 5 operation or some operation mandated by the UN, and while the latter has happened, it was highly controversial that it did, as it was beyond the scope of the NATO treaty.
This protest demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what NATO is or how it works and ultimately even if they got what they wanted, which they won’t, it wouldn’t have accomplished what they were aiming for. The fundamental difference between a NATO operation and an operation of NATO member countries not consecrated in the treaty, is that the former is required to remain in NATO and the latter is completely voluntary.
NATO has stopped all cooperation with Israel because Turkey has vetoed it: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/turkey-blocks-nato-israel-cooperation-over-gaza-war-sources-say-2024-08-01/
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NATO doesn’t.
Some of its members do. These are not the same things.
Europe need it not Canada and it should be 100% run by Europe
Because Canada has no reason to be concerned about Russian aggression? Isn’t literally right next door to them? Doesn’t regularly intercept russian incursions into Canadian airspace? Has nothing to be concerned about regarding the NW passage and Arctic expansion?
Straight up Russian propaganda you’re selling here.
Sure, Ivan.
Tankie
Because Russia has zero ambitions to conquer the arctics?
Yeah, I’m sure Canada not being allied with a bunch of other naval powers would be a lot better for the residents of Монреаль in the long run.
It is weird that there are these protest groups wearing particular scarves that always seem to be acting in the interest of Russia.
Honest question: has the USSR or Russia ever attempted to invade Canada? I only know that Canada had sent military around 1917 to fight against communism (well, what is called this way) but I don’t know much more on the topic.
No. But then Chamberlain thought Hitler would stop with central Europe.
To my knowledge Chamberlain is pretty famous for his misjudgments. Anyways, thanks for answering my question
Honest question: has the USA or NATO ever attempted to invade the USSR or Russia?
No, Ruzzia in any of its forms has not tried to invade us, to the best of my knowledge
Russia sponsored protest gets reported by local news, after the break.
They could have protested against the involvement of Canada in the war (is there any?), against Israel, in favor of a Palestine state…
Looks like Russia is bout wasting time and once again uses their distinguishers network.
Remember trucker blockages of supply routes they did right before the full invasion?
Tankies be tankin’
An how many of them actually have the first clue why they’re asking for that?
NATO isn’t the problem, support to Israel is.
Glad to see all the genocide sympathizers are out here in force, playing apologist for Russia.
Send them to fight in Ukraine. Let them pick a side too.
When they ask why, tell them this is what would happen if there was no NATO. They would be drafted into the war. Just like in WW2.
Oh, I think we all know which side they would fight if given the choice. They would twerk for ‘Daddy Vladi’.
I’d prefer people who know nothing about quantum mechanics argue whether or not there should be multiple dimensions.
NATO needs to be abolished. They are nothing but the European arm of US imperialism
Even if you are anti-NATO, you must appreciate that NATO stops Turkey from going to war with Cyprus and Greece. Just one example.
As an uninformed person, I would like to know more about this.
You can be against Putin AND against NATO. I would agree that maybe now is not the best time for this demonstration, but NATO is still a bad organization.
NATO is still a bad organization.
How so?
I get why in this momement where Ukraine appears to be dependent on NATO support, and where it seems like NATO is required to counterbalence Russia, why people would support the existence of it. But, it is absolutely a tool of US global hegemonic power. The US has committed some incredibly horrific acts to secure its position as sole global super power and NATO as a tool to develop and maintain that power has been used to that end, and will continue to be used in that way. We should not confuse tools of imperial power projection to be a good thing.
Will you tell us what good NATO has done? I took time to reply to you.
No war since WW2 for 80 years. The full invasion of Ukraine happened, because putin was convinced NATO was too weak.
No war in western europe*
And that is mostly due to mutually assured destruction and decolonization and the destruction of European imperial ambitions. If these grand entangling alliances prevented war then WWI wouldn’t have happened. If nukes weren’t a thing then nato would probably be a factor contributing towards another world war rather then preventing it.
No war in countries that joined NATO. #2 goal of NATO is to be prepared to fight enemy together when attacked. #1 goal of NATO is to discourage war, because it’s you attack one NATO country, you start war with 32 countries.
No war since 80 years?!? Did I miss something or do you just choose to exclude Irak, Afghanistan, Syria, Bosnia? I guess that wars that do not directly affect the comfort of Westerners are not ‘real’ wars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NATO_operations
NATO and the USA basically destroyed Afghanistan and left all of the women of in the hands of barbarians, but fuck them I guess. 20 years of interventions and the situation is worse for everyone except Talibans, thanks NATO!
And again, NATO isn’t doing shit in Ukraine.
NATO is a defensive alliance, but it also standardizes weapons, equipment and command.
The only time when NATO article 5 was actually invoked was Afghanistan after 9/11. The other times it was mostly UN missions where individual countries volunteered to take part. NATO command was used, because it helped to work with multi national presence.
It’s a military and imperialist organization lol. I’ll give you a detailled reply but will also return the question: what good had NATO done exaclty?
From my Canadian perspective, NATO pressures Canada to increase military spending to 2% of GDP. Meanwhile we are in the middle of the biggest housing crisis of the past 50 years, but our (most probably) next prime minister will inject billions in the army.
NATO has supported Israel intervention on multiple occasion. Although they have timidly requested a ceasefire, they continue the official discourse on “the right to defend oneself”.
NATO has embarked on numerous interventions over the past 30 years, notably the "war against terrorism” and wars in Iraq, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria… All with great results /s
NATO isn’t doing shit for Ukraine.
Your turn!
We need more of this energy
Its important for countries to work together. Could we do better? absolutely but things are worse off when we try to go it on our own, I don’t understand the point of all this isolationism.
Sure but maybe we could have an organization that doesn’t support Genocide and imperialism like NATO
How does NATO support genocide and imperialism?
Edit: they’ve started posting other comments elsewhere since this ask which tells me they don’t actually believe the BS they’re spewing.
Thats fair. So is the solution giving up and leaving or working day by day to try to make change and improve the situation? Its a little bit smarter to put pressure on our representatives. Protests should revolve around people who have the power to make these changes. Its slow and frustrating but works, they’ll cave if they’re on the unpopular side of an issue. These organizations are too important to just throw away.
Would you care to explain those talking points? No? Didn’t think so.
No we don’t
