It may be unfair, but I’ve been increasingly judgemental of Tesla drivers, especially over the past 4 or 5 years. He used to just be a joke when he was tweeting edgelord stuff like his nightstand and trying to have images scrubbed from the internet of when he was still bald. Model S, model 3, model X (s3x, hur dur). Then I was made angry by the hyperloop and his distracting, unproductive impact of the way America thinks about mass transit. Then I got mad about Starlink, first as extremely expensive, dystopian sky litter. Then as a frightening glimpse at communication control in places with civil unrest/protest. Then he bought twitter, and did a hilariously bad job at running it. Installing a cartoonishly bad sign on his building and whatnot. Naming it something idiotic. Then helping bring Trump back from the dead. Then everything he has done in the 2024 election cycle. I don’t know how people can stand to be associated with Elon and all the he represents in any way. It would be like driving around in a Jimmy Savile-mobile.
I acknowledge that it’s unfair, but I’m judging you. Everyone driving in a Tesla looks like a rube at best, tacky and vain at least, or a contributor to fascism at worst. Perhaps you might consider a bumper sticker, haha.
The stickers do help, I have seen one before and then I remember how it was exciting in the early days that someone was very publicly making a big push to introduce a viable alternative to internal combustion engines. We know a lot more now about Musk and Tesla than we did back when the first cars rolled out. A lot of the early Tesla owners probably meant well and it doesn’t help that nearly all the infrastructure (at least in my area) is car-only and hostile towards other forms of transit.
First off, absolutely. None of these CEOs got where they are by acts of kindness. But there in lies the rub. Musk is in the spotlight. In a very real way, with his purchase of Twitter, he has actually become the spotlight itself. And he is vocally championing hateful rhetoric, and he is bankrolling an existential threat to America/democracy/the planet. The icon that is Tesla is inexorably linked to Musk, and lately Musk is shaping up to be America’s Goebbels.
People that are buying the stickers are rubes. I don’t care what you think and anyone with an ounce of confidence shouldn’t either.
I’m convinced most of the anti Tesla rhetoric is coming from people who frankly are not Tesla (or any new car) customers anyway. If you’re actually in the market for an EV and want to compare range, charging network, dashboard UI+phone app quality (yes, all standard automakers are shit at software development, maybe hire people in SV), cost, vehicle options, maintenance + repair options (Tesla service isn’t run by the garbage dealership model and is actually good service and fairly priced) — then Tesla has been a clear winner for many years.
Feel free to go back to your dealership and waste half a day trying to buy a car. Every one else is still so far behind and if you get it, you get it.
If you’re actually in the market for an EV and want to compare range, charging network, dashboard UI+phone app quality, cost, vehicle options, maintenance + repair options then Tesla has been a clear winner for many years.
As someone who drives an EV and has been watching the market for the last 2.5 years to see about maybe getting s different one soon: lol. Lmao, even. Lmfao, perhaps.
I had to google it. Got it, sure that’s a niche use case that the car doesn’t have. The only EV that I know advertises this feature is the Ford F150 lightning. Absolutely stunning sales on the car really showcase how useful that feature is. /s.
But ya the car has a 120v adaptor. Good enough for most people camping.
He pushed Hyperloop such that they build more roads btw. since other forms of transit were just fine or however it went back then. Goal achieved, idiots loved him and argued for this nonsense a lot.
It was an attempt to derail California (and other) High Speed Rail.
Why would you build HSR if there’s something way faster/better/cheaper, you just need to wait 5 years? You’re going to look really dumb if you spend tens of billions on infrastructure intended to last more than a century, and then it’s obsolete before it’s complete.
Similar story with Toyota perpetually claiming to have amazing batteries 3-5 years away, making every EV look like an expensive waste with no resale value.
And a hydrogen economy, small nuclear reactors, or fusion power being 5/10/20 years away, removing the need to invest in transmission and generation.
A major paradigm shift being right around the corner makes people choose short-term solutions, because you want to wait for the new thing to arrive before investing in ‘old tech’.
The problem is most of it is lies, perpetuated by those selling the short-term-fix old tech.
I judge people in Tesla’s, especially 3 and y the same way I used to judge bmw drivers. I must assume they are a dumbass and going to do something dangerous because they often do. Wonder what percentage of Tesla drivers used to have beamers.
I bought one when no other option for an EV really existed for reasonable range batteries.
I have never owned a luxury car. My other car is a Honda accord from 2016.
I would be happy to have any other car brand, but the cost to replace the car with a different EV of similar range would cost us $30k. Is it really that important to harm yourself financially to signal to others your preferences for a person?
When it comes to the power train, the most important part of the vehicle, very few in comparison to all the other OEMs.
Arguably the 85kwh battery on the 2013 S or whatever it was maybe should have been recalled, but that’s it for batteries, and it wasn’t a saftey problem like the lg batteries. They had 1 scare where they limited batteries temporarily but after they investigated it wasn’t a problem and they restored them.
Nothing like the battery recalls with LG recalling hundreds of thousands of vehicles, and nothing at all like what’s going on with Hyundais ICUs with hundreds of thousands of vehicles.
It may be unfair, but I’ve been increasingly judgemental of Tesla drivers, especially over the past 4 or 5 years. He used to just be a joke when he was tweeting edgelord stuff like his nightstand and trying to have images scrubbed from the internet of when he was still bald. Model S, model 3, model X (s3x, hur dur). Then I was made angry by the hyperloop and his distracting, unproductive impact of the way America thinks about mass transit. Then I got mad about Starlink, first as extremely expensive, dystopian sky litter. Then as a frightening glimpse at communication control in places with civil unrest/protest. Then he bought twitter, and did a hilariously bad job at running it. Installing a cartoonishly bad sign on his building and whatnot. Naming it something idiotic. Then helping bring Trump back from the dead. Then everything he has done in the 2024 election cycle. I don’t know how people can stand to be associated with Elon and all the he represents in any way. It would be like driving around in a Jimmy Savile-mobile.
Because I bought a $60k car in 2018 that still works fine, and replacing a fully functional vehicle is a huge expense to undertake.
I acknowledge that it’s unfair, but I’m judging you. Everyone driving in a Tesla looks like a rube at best, tacky and vain at least, or a contributor to fascism at worst. Perhaps you might consider a bumper sticker, haha.
The stickers do help, I have seen one before and then I remember how it was exciting in the early days that someone was very publicly making a big push to introduce a viable alternative to internal combustion engines. We know a lot more now about Musk and Tesla than we did back when the first cars rolled out. A lot of the early Tesla owners probably meant well and it doesn’t help that nearly all the infrastructure (at least in my area) is car-only and hostile towards other forms of transit.
I’m sure that if major stockholders of the other auto brands were in the spotlight as much as Musk is, we’d see that they’re just as terrible
First off, absolutely. None of these CEOs got where they are by acts of kindness. But there in lies the rub. Musk is in the spotlight. In a very real way, with his purchase of Twitter, he has actually become the spotlight itself. And he is vocally championing hateful rhetoric, and he is bankrolling an existential threat to America/democracy/the planet. The icon that is Tesla is inexorably linked to Musk, and lately Musk is shaping up to be America’s Goebbels.
People that are buying the stickers are rubes. I don’t care what you think and anyone with an ounce of confidence shouldn’t either.
I’m convinced most of the anti Tesla rhetoric is coming from people who frankly are not Tesla (or any new car) customers anyway. If you’re actually in the market for an EV and want to compare range, charging network, dashboard UI+phone app quality (yes, all standard automakers are shit at software development, maybe hire people in SV), cost, vehicle options, maintenance + repair options (Tesla service isn’t run by the garbage dealership model and is actually good service and fairly priced) — then Tesla has been a clear winner for many years.
Feel free to go back to your dealership and waste half a day trying to buy a car. Every one else is still so far behind and if you get it, you get it.
As someone who drives an EV and has been watching the market for the last 2.5 years to see about maybe getting s different one soon: lol. Lmao, even. Lmfao, perhaps.
Have fun sitting at the shitty dealership while service comes to my house!
You can’t even do vehicle to load. Immediate skip even not counting Elon.
Incomprehensible statements… vehicle to load? Not sure there’s much an xc90 or a mache can do that MY can’t.
Weird that every other EV can do VTL
I had to google it. Got it, sure that’s a niche use case that the car doesn’t have. The only EV that I know advertises this feature is the Ford F150 lightning. Absolutely stunning sales on the car really showcase how useful that feature is. /s.
But ya the car has a 120v adaptor. Good enough for most people camping.
Niche use case that every other EV can do, where they can power entire house? Okay bullshit
Ah, back when full self driving was only negative four years into the future.
He pushed Hyperloop such that they build more roads btw. since other forms of transit were just fine or however it went back then. Goal achieved, idiots loved him and argued for this nonsense a lot.
It was an attempt to derail California (and other) High Speed Rail.
Why would you build HSR if there’s something way faster/better/cheaper, you just need to wait 5 years? You’re going to look really dumb if you spend tens of billions on infrastructure intended to last more than a century, and then it’s obsolete before it’s complete.
Similar story with Toyota perpetually claiming to have amazing batteries 3-5 years away, making every EV look like an expensive waste with no resale value.
And a hydrogen economy, small nuclear reactors, or fusion power being 5/10/20 years away, removing the need to invest in transmission and generation.
A major paradigm shift being right around the corner makes people choose short-term solutions, because you want to wait for the new thing to arrive before investing in ‘old tech’.
The problem is most of it is lies, perpetuated by those selling the short-term-fix old tech.
Exactly. He’s the poster child for a virus that is killing our host. Beyond unhelpful, and well into counterproductive.
Yes that was it!
I judge people in Tesla’s, especially 3 and y the same way I used to judge bmw drivers. I must assume they are a dumbass and going to do something dangerous because they often do. Wonder what percentage of Tesla drivers used to have beamers.
I bought one when no other option for an EV really existed for reasonable range batteries.
I have never owned a luxury car. My other car is a Honda accord from 2016.
I would be happy to have any other car brand, but the cost to replace the car with a different EV of similar range would cost us $30k. Is it really that important to harm yourself financially to signal to others your preferences for a person?
Nope, and it’s generally healthier to not give a shit what strangers think
For me it’s less about signaling to other drivers. It’s more about not giving Elon money.
Ok, but we already gave him the money 5 years ago.
So, what changes by selling it?
I mean going forward.
What does that have to do with the comment I was responding to then?
Because people either don’t care or don’t care enough to pay more for another EV
This isnt 2002.
EVs from other car makers are both cheaper, and better built, than any Tesla. The Market has left Teslas and their bullshit in the dust.
Then people who buy a Tesla in 2024 simply suck. A bad product for a high price produced by an imbecile. It’s not easy to get scammed 3 times at once
Tesla has always been that, dude.
Meanwhile, many of the other major OEMs are dealing with massive battery recalls or large scale power failure recalls.
Because Tesla has never had a recall. 🙄
When it comes to the power train, the most important part of the vehicle, very few in comparison to all the other OEMs.
Arguably the 85kwh battery on the 2013 S or whatever it was maybe should have been recalled, but that’s it for batteries, and it wasn’t a saftey problem like the lg batteries. They had 1 scare where they limited batteries temporarily but after they investigated it wasn’t a problem and they restored them.
Nothing like the battery recalls with LG recalling hundreds of thousands of vehicles, and nothing at all like what’s going on with Hyundais ICUs with hundreds of thousands of vehicles.