I’m laughing at the patently absurd and ridiculous conspiracy theory that the local Palestinian gangs lead by the Palestinian Abu Shabab are “backed by Israel”. A claim that has literally zero evidence or basis in fact behind it.
This isn’t about me, other than the fact that this is about Palestinian thugs stealing the humanitarian aid that my taxes have helped pay for from other Palestinians.
You might as well tell me that the Earth is flat and the aid trucks fell of the edge. It’s ridiculous coping bullshit that one can only assume was made up to try to remove all nuance from the discussion by blaming it on the Israelis.
I’m laughing at the patently absurd and ridiculous conspiracy theory that the local Palestinian gangs lead by the Palestinian Abu Shabab are “backed by Israel”. A claim that has literally zero evidence or basis in fact behind it.
There is evidence
An internal UN memo obtained by the Washington Post concluded in October that the gangs “may be benefiting from a passive if not active benevolence” or “protection” from the Israeli army.
The memo said that one gang leader established a “military like compound” in an area “restricted, controlled and patrolled" by the Israeli army.
With the collapse of civil order due to Israel’s targeting and killing of members of Gaza’s police force, few people are left to guard humanitarian aid convoys.
Aid organisations say Israel has denied most of their requests for better measures to ensure the safety of convoys. As the occupying force, Israel is legally responsible for ensuring aid supplies to civilian populations
Only 57 trucks a day were allowed to cross into Gaza in October, far lower than the 350 the US had requested, and the 600 a day aid agencies say are required to meet basic needs. Meanwhile, food prices have skyrocketed.
This isn’t about me, other than the fact that this is about Palestinian thugs stealing the humanitarian aid that my taxes have helped pay for from other Palestinians
This entire famine created by Israel is deliberate and intentional. If you’re worried taxes, you should be focused on the magnitudes more, over 17 billion, going to the weapons being used to facilitate this genocide. All this chaos only goes to show how woefully inadequate the humanitarian aid has been and how much more is needed.
The memo said that one gang leader established a “military like compound” in an area “restricted, controlled and patrolled" by the Israeli army.
A “UN memo” saying that the gangs “may be benefiting” from the Israeli army isn’t exactly conclusive evidence now is it?
Gaza’s police force
A.K.A. Hamas
Meanwhile, food prices have skyrocketed.
Because Palestinian gangsters have stolen all of the aid that Western countries have donated to them, while Hamas’ allies in Iran and Russia laugh their fucking asses off at us.
This entire famine created by Israel is deliberate and intentional.
Gaza is right on the Mediterranean Sea, where people have been thriving off fish and produce since prehistory. At some point you’re going to have to stop blaming Israel for all of Palestine’s problems and failings, especially since (as you rightfully pointed out) it is Palestinian gangsters who are stealing the aide, not Israelis.
I like how quick you are to shift the goalposts from “there’s no evidence. None at all” to “oh that evidence you provided? It isn’t conclusive evidence”. Keep cheering for genocide if that’s what you want to do, there’s no need to pretend this is about anything else.
I like how quick you are to shift the goalposts from “there’s no evidence. None at all” to “oh that evidence you provided?
Go ahead and explain to me about how a UN memo saying that something “may be” happening is “evidence” of anything?
Is it happening or is it not happening? If this was something that there was undeniable evidence of, do you think the report would say that it “may be” happening or that it “is” happening?
That’s not moving the goalposts, that’s just basic reading comprehension–something you clearly lack.
Keep cheering for genocide if that’s what you want to do, there’s no need to pretend this is about anything else.
Ah, here it is, the strawman we’ve all been waiting for!
I’m against any Israeli desire for genocide against the Palestinian people, just like I am against any Palestinian desire to genocide the Israeli people.
I have always and will always believe in a peaceful two-state solution in which Israel and Palestine learn to cooperate, respect defined boundaries, enshrine equal rights for minorities, and run their nations in a democratic and secular fashion instead of a theocratic authoritarian one.
I mean… I get it, dude. It’s cool.
I don’t have a side in this holy war that has been going on since long before I was born. In fact, both the Israelis and the Palestinians have proven themselves to be barbaric shitheads who are more than happy to violate the norms of war and target innocent civilians in the name of their personal brand of violent genocide.
Like many other people on this website, you simply don’t like it when people challenge your oh-so-nuanced “Israeli Jew bad, Palestinian Muslim good” viewpoint by asking for even the most basic thread of evidence to back up your provocative story, and so you get frustrated when the best evidence that you have is that some Palestinian witness claims to have seen an IDF soldier in the general vicinity of the thing happening.
That’s fine, I guess. I’m still going to ask to see the receipts when people make outlandish claims.
Israel’s occupation and Blockade has been throttling the food available to Palestinians in Gaza to below what’s needed for decades. The full blockade and famine is simply an extension of a longstanding practice.
“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” “We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly”
Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.
Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.
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Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.
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In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.
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Blockade, including Aid
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.
I’m a secular atheist democratic libertarian socialist. Very little of that factors into my view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Face it. You guys are just being pissy because I asked for the receipts, and it turns out you don’t have them.
If caring about what is true or not makes me a “zionist” (it doesn’t, fyi), then I guess I am.
If advocating for the release of the remaining Israeli hostages from Gaza makes me a “zionist” (it doesn’t, fyi), then I guess I am.
If wanting a peaceful, cooperative two-state solution where both Palestine and Israel are run in a secular democratic manner makes me a “zionist” (it doesn’t, fyi), then I guess I am.
Frankly, at this point I’m starting to think that many of you guys don’t even know what a fucking “zionist” is. It’s just become a mantra and a meme to some of you guys.
Imagine being this fragile and butthurt when someone asks if there is evidence behind a claim…
Believe whatever you want to believe. If you want to join the holy war and believe in the Torah or the prophet Muhammad then that’s your own [bad] choice. As for me, I’m still going to choose to believe in objective facts.
I’m laughing at the patently absurd and ridiculous conspiracy theory that the local Palestinian gangs lead by the Palestinian Abu Shabab are “backed by Israel”. A claim that has literally zero evidence or basis in fact behind it.
This isn’t about me, other than the fact that this is about Palestinian thugs stealing the humanitarian aid that my taxes have helped pay for from other Palestinians.
You might as well tell me that the Earth is flat and the aid trucks fell of the edge. It’s ridiculous coping bullshit that one can only assume was made up to try to remove all nuance from the discussion by blaming it on the Israelis.
There is evidence
Gaza police battle gang members accused of stealing humanitarian aid
This entire famine created by Israel is deliberate and intentional. If you’re worried taxes, you should be focused on the magnitudes more, over 17 billion, going to the weapons being used to facilitate this genocide. All this chaos only goes to show how woefully inadequate the humanitarian aid has been and how much more is needed.
A “UN memo” saying that the gangs “may be benefiting” from the Israeli army isn’t exactly conclusive evidence now is it?
A.K.A. Hamas
Because Palestinian gangsters have stolen all of the aid that Western countries have donated to them, while Hamas’ allies in Iran and Russia laugh their fucking asses off at us.
Gaza is right on the Mediterranean Sea, where people have been thriving off fish and produce since prehistory. At some point you’re going to have to stop blaming Israel for all of Palestine’s problems and failings, especially since (as you rightfully pointed out) it is Palestinian gangsters who are stealing the aide, not Israelis.
I like how quick you are to shift the goalposts from “there’s no evidence. None at all” to “oh that evidence you provided? It isn’t conclusive evidence”. Keep cheering for genocide if that’s what you want to do, there’s no need to pretend this is about anything else.
Go ahead and explain to me about how a UN memo saying that something “may be” happening is “evidence” of anything?
Is it happening or is it not happening? If this was something that there was undeniable evidence of, do you think the report would say that it “may be” happening or that it “is” happening?
That’s not moving the goalposts, that’s just basic reading comprehension–something you clearly lack.
Ah, here it is, the strawman we’ve all been waiting for!
I’m against any Israeli desire for genocide against the Palestinian people, just like I am against any Palestinian desire to genocide the Israeli people. I have always and will always believe in a peaceful two-state solution in which Israel and Palestine learn to cooperate, respect defined boundaries, enshrine equal rights for minorities, and run their nations in a democratic and secular fashion instead of a theocratic authoritarian one.
I mean… I get it, dude. It’s cool.
I don’t have a side in this holy war that has been going on since long before I was born. In fact, both the Israelis and the Palestinians have proven themselves to be barbaric shitheads who are more than happy to violate the norms of war and target innocent civilians in the name of their personal brand of violent genocide.
Like many other people on this website, you simply don’t like it when people challenge your oh-so-nuanced “Israeli Jew bad, Palestinian Muslim good” viewpoint by asking for even the most basic thread of evidence to back up your provocative story, and so you get frustrated when the best evidence that you have is that some Palestinian witness claims to have seen an IDF soldier in the general vicinity of the thing happening.
That’s fine, I guess. I’m still going to ask to see the receipts when people make outlandish claims.
Israel’s occupation and Blockade has been throttling the food available to Palestinians in Gaza to below what’s needed for decades. The full blockade and famine is simply an extension of a longstanding practice.
One of the over 500 instances of Israeli incitement of genocide
Israel also arbitrarily limits how far Palestinians can fish in the sea and shoot them on sight. Gaza fisherfolk can only ‘dream of fishing freely’ under Israel’s blockade
De-development via the Gaza Occupation
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The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy
Blockade, including Aid
Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.
After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.
Thank you for posting these, can’t say I’m surprised to see Zionist libs peddling propaganda on Lemmy
What makes that person a “lib”? Seems like you just want to associate a group of people you don’t like with Zionism.
Don’t do that.
I’m a secular atheist democratic libertarian socialist. Very little of that factors into my view of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Face it. You guys are just being pissy because I asked for the receipts, and it turns out you don’t have them.
Frankly, at this point I’m starting to think that many of you guys don’t even know what a fucking “zionist” is. It’s just become a mantra and a meme to some of you guys.
Imagine being this fragile and butthurt when someone asks if there is evidence behind a claim…
Believe whatever you want to believe. If you want to join the holy war and believe in the Torah or the prophet Muhammad then that’s your own [bad] choice. As for me, I’m still going to choose to believe in objective facts.