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    “We elected him once and our boat isn’t flying!1! Why isn’t he doing anything?!?” (/s)

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      Like, fuck, Biden was like, my third least favorite pick in the 2020 primaries. And he’s risen to maybe middle-of-the-pack by his actions (that is to say, I wasn’t expecting much, but I was mildly pleasantly surprised), compared to his 2020 peers. I’m not exactly his fucking fanboy, I just recognize that he’s not a Republican fucking ghoul. But the way people seem to judge actions in complete ignorance of how our government works, or of how fucking byzantine the processes even just for passing, much less implementing, legislature is… it’s exhausting, frustrating, and infuriating.

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        Like, fuck, Biden was like, my third least favorite pick in the 2020 primaries.

        Behind Bloomberg and DeLaney.

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          DeLaney wasn’t even on my radar. I apologize for being an ardent Bernie voter with Warren as my second choice; I understand that basically makes me a conservative in the eyes of Lemmy’s Very Serious Leftist Brigade.

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            Cue Aamon’s Punished Bernie.

            Oh well, now we get to choose between stagnation and decline or a fairly rapid fall into christian nationalism.

            Anyway, fun thing I learned: It only costs $400 USD to apply for a residency permit to Ecuador, all you have to do is prove you have over roughly $1500 of reliable income a month.

            You can rent a fully furnished studio apartment for $350, like a modern apartment, kind that goes for thousands in Sea, SF or LA. A few places have very reliable public transit for a quarter, groceries cost something like a third or less than they do in the US. Also, Ecuador features a diverse range of microclimates where you can almost certainly find something you will love.

            Downsides: Youre going to need to learn at least some spanish, do not go to Guyanquil, and be prepared for the power and internet to brown out with some regularity. Also in many places you will probably want a water filter.

            Though for many in the US, unreliable power, internet and water likely won’t be that different.

            Edit: Also crime statistics.

            While Ecuador is basically only in the Western media recently for its ‘skyrocketing’ murder rate, and yes there have been lockdowns and curfews… comparing most of the affordable cities in Ecuador to most cities in the US I would ever be able to afford to live in, nearly every crime statistic, including murder, is significantly less.

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        The way people talk around here you’d think the president was a monarch. I know that’s the way Trump and his sycophants want it or believe to be true, but Biden is only 1/3rd of the entire government.

        If we could get people to turn out to vote in local elections, we might actually see some reforms over a period of couple years that could lead to lasting change, at least on a local level, but long term planning is impossible to sell when everybody demands a strongman who can solve every problem or issue on the federal level right now.

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          It’s a simple understanding that absolve them of having to think critically and take a stance. And it’s not even that hard it’s just they don’t want to consider that they might be lacking something within themselves.

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      In a world full of ‘flying boats’, asking why we aren’t also flying is valid

      Nobody reasonable is asking for the impossible, we’re asking for what those who are “worse off” financially have

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      A little later:

      “Okay SURE the boat is flying but as a strong leftist advocate I really think it’s problematic how he’s treated the underpaid people who build flying boat motors, and I think we need to focus more on what Biden should be doing better to convince me to vote for him against the hole-drilling-and-baby-punching club, because I think probably I’ll sit this one out”

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        Also “sure, the boat’s flying now and we aren’t drowning, but what we really need is to get to land, being in a boat doesn’t even make sense. So I’m going to sit this one out because both parties want us in the boat. What’s that? The other party’s trying to sink the boat before we get to land? I don’t care, it’s about the principle of wanting to be on land!”

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          I don’t see the boat flying, see this is the whole problem with the Democrats is that when people tell them they’re HURTING they just break out all these figures about altitude and tell you to stick your hand out the boat and see if you can touch the water, that’s super condescending and not very productive and unresponsive to criticism, it’s like a cult man, blue MAGA amirite, so anyway I’m definitely not voting for them NOW because now you hurt my feelings.”

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          Israel is committing genocide, and that’s not the only thing happening in the world right now.

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            the us is funding it and propping it up. they recently went as far as threatening the hague for saying so.

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      I love this.

      Though, it would be more accurate if the guy said “I’ll eat your enemy’s kids to death! Oh also, that guy is your enemy, k?”

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        “Vote for me or the other guy will eat your children to death” is closer to what’s going on.

        (“vote for me instead, I will only eat the tallest of your children!”)

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      The fact that it’s even close is an indictment of the American people. Clearly we’re too stupid to run a country. What a shithole.

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    The plan is very simple, vote for someone who is not corrupt. I will be voting for Jill Stein because that’s how democracy works.

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    This might have been true in the past, but Biden has been too busy putting rainbow stickers on the outside of the boat to use a bucket.

    I’m not saying the recognition is bad, but ffs actually try to plug the holes. He was elected basically saying “I’m not going to make things worse” and he’s barely kept that promise. Don’t know why people thought he would actually make things better

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      And here is the part where I can list point after point of actually good things Biden has done, and the response will inevitably be “Well, it doesn’t matter that he’s done all of that, because I don’t FEEL like he’s done enough.”

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        I’m sure you could. Are queer people actually safer under Biden? Or has their safety just not gotten worse? Abortion rights? Health care? Separating families at the border? Has the average American’s life actually improved or is it just “not worse”?

        And here is the part where you list all the excuses about why Biden and the Dems couldn’t do anything about those things. And yet, they’re gonna continue to campaign and ask for money on a combination of “we’re gonna do those things” and “OMG Trump scary”. And then they won’t actually act on them.

        Like every time Republicans go more fascist, Democrats see it as an excuse to move to the right and go “vote for the not fascist”. Fool me in 2016, shame on me. Fool me again in 2020, shame on you. Play the same goddamn game in 2024, I’m not sure what to say anymore.

        And before you say it, I caucused in 2008, 2012, 2016, and 2020. I’ve tried to change things from the inside. The absolute bullshit I saw at EVERY LEVEL made me nauseated. I’ve watched as politicians left the Republican Party, came to the Democratic Party, continued voting with the Republicans AND WERE HIGHLY FUNDED BY THE DEM PARTY OF MY STATE. And they still are! I watched as “progressive policies” like “let’s push against Republicans trying to privatize Medicare” were tabled because they didn’t want to “offend moderates” EVEN WHEN THEY POLLED AT 70%+ of folks polled in the state opposed privatization.

        They are a lost cause beyond all repair. They may have not lead the march into fascism, but they sure as hell haven’t done anything to slow it down.

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          Man imagine literally admitting that “the other side are actual fascists” isn’t enough a reason alone for you to fall the fuck in line and still thinking you have any moral ground to stand on.

          Big “Bridal Shower at a Gay Bar” kinda ally energy you’re bringing here.

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            fall the fuck in line

            I mean, I don’t think anyone should “fall in line” behind any of the Democrats. That’s part of the propaganda, is that they reframe something perfectly sensible (voting not to end democracy) as some emotionally resonant obedient thing that you have to fall in line behind the Democrats from now on, and vote for them no matter what, and in the meantime never criticize or disagree with them on anything, or even try to get concessions for your vote or do protests or anything else.

            I mean, if that were the system, then they’d kind of have a point, even though in this election it would still be a good idea to fall the fuck in line behind the non fascist candidate. But I think at least at the rank and file level, the exact people who care enough to want to vote for Biden also care enough to, in a lot of cases, want to do direct protests and “uncommitted” votes and all that, because they care. It seems weird that the shills are so insistent that the system is either voting (and then agreeing with the Democrats on everything from then on), or doing the more-than-voting things that produce real change, which a lot of times a lot of the Democrat establishment itself kind of doesn’t want people doing.

            (I mean – I’m aware that they don’t actually believe these things, and are just sort of tossing them out from their scripts, and also don’t care if people are poking holes in their logic, because the point is just to throw it all at the wall and hopefully some of sticks through sheer peer pressure. I think they don’t really care if we believe them, individually, either. I imagine it’s kind of like working in a call center; you just kind of type on a computer for a long time saying what you’re supposed to say, and then going home)

            (Hey… do you think that’s why they’re so passionate about how unpleasant it is to have to fall in line behind a political ideology and support it, and then that means you don’t have your own voice and just “fall in line” etc etc, is because that’s their personal experience of what it means when you are “on” one particular side?)

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              I have zero sympathy.

              It’s fascism. That’s the end of the debate.

              If there are 10 people at a table and a Nazi is able to sit down with them unopposed, there are 11 Nazis at the table.

              If you do not vote against fascism you are a fascist.

              This is war and neutrality is tantamount to a refusal to condemn to the appropriate degree.

              It is the preference of the petite bourgeois for genocide as a result of inaction than avoiding that by their action.

              It is a position only capable of being held from the privilege of knowing you aren’t first up on the “decommissioning line” when the monstrous machine starts waking up.

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                So you’re saying that I, a trans leftist activist, am a fascist because I’m voting for a 3rd party instead of Biden? You know some of us actually do stuff other than bash people on Lemmy, right?

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                  Yes, you are.

                  Just because you’re a blindingly stupid fascist doesn’t make you not a fascist.

                  You’ll be tried with the other collaborators all the same. Equal opportunity justice!

                  Signed, a queer palestinian syndicalist since we’re apparently tag dropping now.

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            As a queer person, this is really offensive. You realize that a large part of my opinion is formed by my queer identity, right?

            Dems have done absolutely jack shit in my state to fight the slew of anti-trans and anti-gay bills passed by our legislature. They’ve done almost nothing at the federal level, and there was actually talk about letting Republicans push anti-trans legislation so that they could “just get a budget passed”. So yea, while my trans siblings are sitting here suffering and the Dems go “well I’m not sure about trans rights”, you might excuse my frustration and anger at the party that flies the rainbow flag and then turns the other way when we get fucked.

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              As opposed to the party actively doing the fucking.

              But please tell us more about why we should be angrier at the dems for shit the republicans are doing.

              I’m sure all that consent you manufacture for letting the republicans win again will definitely get you labeled one of the good ones when they start making lists.

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                Lol right? “My red state does fucked up shit! Why won’t the Dems stop it? I won’t vote for them, then!”

                Fucking morons.

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          Well yes because younger you was deemed worthy of polite correction.

          You’re old enough to be able to do the fucking math and understand your role as effectively being the neighbor who turned in Anne Frank by not voting against the creation of the American Morality Police.

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            Democrats are the ones who can’t do math right now. They’re supporting Israel blindly, as an establishment, even though it’s hurting their poll numbers.

            It’s just disgusting to me that nobody ever wants a politician to change their view on anything. It’s gotta be us that have to sacrifice our morals.

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    “We need bigger buckets, we’re sinking too fast!”

    “So what youre saying is, we need to empty the boat?”

    “OBVIOUSLY”

    *sparta kicks bailer from the boat

    “That should do it, and with the weight we cut, we can drill more holes!”

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    It’s missing Biden leaning over the side of the boat to beat a pregnant Palestinian woman over the head with an oar while she struggles to swim to shore.

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      You seemed to miss the point of the comic

      Unless you’re playing the role of the non-voter

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        I thought the point was to illustrate how our democracy is perilously close to coming to an end?

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          It’s saying to help the people trying to save it even if you think they don’t do enough for you

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            And I’m saying it conveniently leaves out the part where Biden is being a ghoul and horrifying many of the people who would normally be bailing water.

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    Where are the centrists giving the Republicans a drill and arguing that a just giving them a slight smaller drill bit then they requested is a good thing and the only way to keep the boat from sinking faster?

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      The editor has foolishly put them at the front of the boat pretending they’re enforcing it instead of slowly pouring cups of water into the boat.

      Leftists are the solution, not the far right and right.

      Also centrists under a fully right system, are sitting in the centre of the right and thus still rightists.

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        Leftists are the solution, not the far right and right.

        It would be nice if they would vote once in a while. I’m assured they’re the vast majority of this country, but curiously, none of them ever seem to vote.

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            Oh, boy, they’re not up your alley, so sorry, in that case, please continue to ignore all possible contributions to the material conditions that allow the organization of labor and the prevention of fascism; I’m sure that passively watching the genocide of minorities is a small price to pay compared to the indignity of participating in the democratic process.

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              Unionization is a capitalist compromise. The fact that it takes an entire army of people to equal the negotiation power of one owner is ridiculous and indicative of the terrible system we’re in.

              Keep on keeping on with the status quo. It seems like you like it.

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                Keep on keeping on with the status quo. It seems like you like it.

                You keep welcoming fascism, you seem quite fond of it. Sorry that the rest of us want to do silly things like “Be alive” or “Have rights”.

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                  Democrats have been welcoming fascists the entire last four years by not preventing them from coming to power. We’ve had every possible avenue legally or legislatively to put an end to this and Democrats refuse to. They’re incapable.

                  All we will get by voting for Joe Biden is four more years of peace until the next fascist begins to run, and we will have done nothing to stop them either.

                  Your strategy is to win every election for the rest of all time. It’s just not tenable.

                  We need a reform movement, and Democrats are incapable of that, clearly. As somebody else has said in this threat, going by the metaphor in the picture, Democrats need to be plugging the holes in the boat, not scooping out the water.

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            If I had to eat a shit sandwich, I think I’d opt for the one with slightly less shit in it.

            You’re all still going to have to eat the winning shit sandwich whether you choose one or not.

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      The analogy from the cartoon is actually deeply flawed for the present situation; back about 10-15 years I think it was pretty accurate.

      What it should be now, the best that I can make it out, is a pretty big boat that’s in quite a bit of mechanical trouble to the point that there’s a lot of unrest on board and it may not make it back to land and may get sunk by the next big storm. And, on board is:

      Republicans actively drilling more holes, setting the engine on fire for some reason, stealing the flares and emergency beacon so they can sell them off to each other, shitting in the water supply, basically doing too many different bad things to even count or keep track of

      A third of the people labeled with “Democrat” helping them, a third looking the other way or making vague attempts to tell them to stop, a third vigorously trying to stop them, sometimes with some level of success

      Biden presiding over that whole process, and somehow producing some level of progress on the most critical of the problems, which is actually pretty shocking considering how fuckin insane the entire boat is at this point.

      (Oh and also one of the Republicans has a handgun and keeps talking about how we need to shoot every single person on the boat who isn’t a Republican, and a lot of the Republicans are agreeing with him and saying they should have handguns too)

      A tiny handful of people who are actually trying to organize, work on problems, work out how we might be able to get to land, put together water distillation since we’re running out, better system for choosing who’s in charge, some genuine improvement to our situation.

      And then, a certain body of people who are swearing they are actually part of that last group, but who spend 100% of their time saying they don’t see any difference between Biden guy and handgun guy, and some of the other people were punching some of the last group, and anyway what about the water, no wait I meant what about the flares, he hasn’t even done anything about the flares… just more or less a constant drumbeat of opposition with none of the forward movement that comes from the last group. And, whenever someone starts yelling at them about handgun guy who literally might want to murder them, they accuse that person of oh isn’t that convenient that now I have to support Biden-guy now, I guess now you’re ordering me around that somehow I have to or else handgun guy will come after me, I bet Biden and handgun guy set the whole thing up themselves.

      That’s still an oversimplification. But it seems somewhat more complete and accurate than the cartoon. My man: Start talking about ranked choice voting. Start talking about joining Extinction Rebellion. If you want to do better than Biden, fuckin do it, it sounds great. But saying that letting Trump win this particular election is anything other than the end of the world, is just lying.

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        And, whenever someone starts yelling at them about handgun guy who literally might want to murder them, they accuse that person of oh isn’t that convenient that now I have to support Biden-guy now, I guess now you’re ordering me around that somehow I have to or else handgun guy will come after me, I bet Biden and handgun guy set the whole thing up themselves.

        This is what gets me. Some (most, if the news is accurate) Republicans are so cartoonishly evil that people’s first reaction is “that can’t be right, you’re just exaggerating” followed shortly by “oh isn’t it awfully convenient that you aren’t a part of that group?”

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        This wall of text makes me think either a bot or non-medicated mental illness.

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          Nah, I’m here for this person’s post. Seems like someone who is frustrated with enlightened centrists and myopic leftists (i.e., not every leftist is myopic, but those that are).

          Sometimes writing a lot is part of fully expressing an opinion.

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          It is the second one, coupled with profound irritation that there’s so much malicious bullshit in this innocent internet forum, designed to further destroy the governance in my country and harm me and lots of other people.

          It might seem like a weird thing to get so worked up about, but l’m pretty sure that, aggregated together with all the other malicious organized propaganda on the internet, it does real damage in the real world (and not a small amount.)

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      They’re the one pretending to bail water out; don’t worry, they’ll wait until the last minute to crack a new hole in the boat and then blame it on the one bailing water for ‘bailing too fast’.

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      I do it for the low, low price of not being sent to a concentration camp with my family under a fascist regime.

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              Are you using “Democrat” as a label?

              I’m not American; your political labels don’t apply, and you still disgust me.

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                I’m not American either lmao. Just assumed since you’re taking all 3 inches from Biden that’d you’d be American. Didn’t realize the propaganda machine was outsourced yet.

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                  Doesn’t matter if you’re American or not… .you used the terms as if you were. No amount of excuses will change your stupidity.

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          I get where you’re coming from… but when the alternative is mask-off clerical fascism, it ain’t a hard fuckin’ choice.

          Voting democrat is just plain harm reduction at this point, as laughable as that feels to say given present circumstances… But this shit show is what we’re stuck with unless we can somehow convince the feckless bastards to implement a better system than first-past-the-post, so other parties actually stand a chance.

          It won’t happen, but neither will convincing over half of the population to vote third-party; and abstaining, while principled, only yields more voting power to Y’all Qaeda.

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            Firstly, I’m not even American. It’s not that I don’t understand what Biden supporters are saying, but Biden and Neo-liberal ideas are harmful to me personally and also to millions of people. My personal example is disability. I rely on disability assistance just to eat. Neo-liberal politicians let that rot and slowly take it away. Sure, Trump will take it away faster, but voting for people who are able to shrug off my very existence is not something I’m willing to do. My opinion of it is that people who are crying out “blue no matter who” are privileged enough to not already be suffering much and are able to continue to stomach the status quo, but I am no longer able to do that…

            All of this is, of course, notwithstanding the ongoing genocide Biden is propping up.

            I appreciate your thoughtful reply.

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              Apologies for the America-centric response, I know these ideas aren’t limited to the states, it’s just what I’m most familiar with.

              Don’t get me wrong, I’m no fan of neo-liberals and I think they get a lot of justified flak for not doing enough, or what’s right, and I absolutely understand not “voting for people who are able to shrug off my very existence”. If I were in your shoes, I’d be in the “burn it all down” camp too.

              In 2016, I wrote in Bernie Sanders out of principle, because he felt like the only candidate who genuinely cared about what was best for regular folks. I also thought the rhetoric around Trump was overstated, particularly, I thought the whole Antifa crowd was super cringe. I grew up in a conservative environment and none of the people I knew were actually fascists after all… Well, 8 years later… I have the hindsight to know that I was wrong. Fascism is alive and well, and it’s thriving in my backyard.

              I don’t want to vote for Biden, his administration’s handling of Israel and it’s genocide is an affront to humanity and one more thing to add to the list of shit that makes me ashamed of this country; it’s just that, in my eyes, the only other viable option is so much worse…

              I wish I had the answers, any policies that could bring meaningful change to a two-party system are in the hands of people who have everything to gain from keeping things the same. I’d like to think that enough overt acts of civil disobedience could change things, but I don’t think it’s bad enough for most people to gather the numbers necessary to bring it about. We’ve been given just enough luxury to keep us placid, but not enough to allow us the time, money, or energy to air our grievances. It’s a sorry state of affairs.

              Anyway…

              TL;DR, I respectfully dissent, but your experience is valid and I don’t blame ya, hopefully things start looking up in our lifetime :P

              Edit: I missed a word

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                I appreciate your point of view here for sure, even if we disagree.

                I do understand that Biden is the “better option” in this circumstance. And I’m not even American so I couldn’t vote for him anyway lol. But if I was American I still would struggle to bring myself to bring myself to actually vote for him as it feels like giving my consent to this broken system that is bringing suffering and death to millions. The Trump or Biden decision is not democracy, it’s the choice between two awful political ideologies which both perpetuate pain for everyone. To vote is to validate that system, to refuse to participate is the only way to not consent to the system which brings continued suffering for the whole planet.

                Of course, if I had the means and ability, I would be out organizing and helping to build something different. In my opinion, that is the only way forward. Though, honestly, that ideal is sort of out of desperation since it feels to me like there’s nothing to save from liberal representative politics, we’d have to build a direct democracy or something progressive that protects the vulnerable. Something that I hope exists and we just can’t think of it the same way that we couldn’t do better than the divine right of kings in the 1600s.

                But I find myself rambling 🤣 Thanks for the discussion. I also hope things get better in our lifetime!

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    These “memes” irk me beyond belief. We need to stop blaming people who are uninspired or unmotivated to vote when it’s grease-ball politicians fucking us over and complacent, spineless democrats who let them get away with it. It’s their fault we’re in this mess and we need to direct the energy and anger towards them, not the result of their machinations. Yes, voting is important, go vote, but this anger towards “non-voters” is wholly misplaced; you’re just falling into the same divide and conquer strategy of the ruling class by turning on your fellow human.

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      We absolutely need to blame people who are uninspired or unmotivated to vote. Their unwillingness to participate is the problem. Not just the country’s, but their problem as well. You aren’t going to bring about change by opting out. It’s what that ruling class you so passionately speak out against want - for you to sit by and let it happen.

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        Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod is cynical and tired. I can’t blame them considering how long this has been going on for. Fuck, I’m just heading into my 30s and I’m already fucking bitter and exhausted.

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        You won’t get past local politics unless you’re 100% all in on supporting one of two political parties. You deviate on even one party position and they might throw you under the bus calling you a radical that supports the other side. Both of the two parties are continuing to support policies that grow the income inequality divide so it’s difficult to believe this time will be different. Telling people the other side will be worse gets less motivating every election cycle. If the “good” side was serious about doing the right thing they wouldn’t keep nominating the worst candidates possible. * I’d say this cartoon looks accurate as soon as you realize that the characters bailing out water are just there for the photo op and the boat will still sink but just a bit slower.

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          deviate on even one party position and they might throw you under the bus calling you a radical that supports the other side

          I don’t know about local politics, but D party has well known members Mancin and AOC, who differ a lot from the platform, and in opposite directions

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          Local politics is this place where things can change. You’re absolutely wrong. The national party doesn’t really care too much about political positions in local politics. Hell, many times in local elections people run unopposed.

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            Local politics is this place where things can change.

            I used to believe that. So did my dad. Until he won a local office and learned how much our system resists actual change. At all levels.

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          You won’t get past local politics unless you’re 100% all in on supporting one of two political parties.

          Have you ever participated in local politics?

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    Republicans understood something Democrats (and their voters) didn’t. You can’t just elect your president and that’s it, problems solved. Biden could be an angel descended from heavens, but with hostile congress, ultra-conservative courts and no cover in local states’ politics either, he can’t do shit (again, he has a ton of flaws worth criticizing)

    So what people need to realize is that the key isn’t to vote, to choose anarchy or to throw their hands up in a final display of fatalism. The key is to vote more. Vote every chance you get. A school oversight election? I’m there. Local elections? At least know who the candidates are and show up. Presidential election? Don’t wait until November to choose the lesser of two evils - engage with the primary system.

    Now, obviously, this takes a lot of time that people don’t have. It takes a lot of evergy on top of living your life, taking care of your family, working a job or several. Not to mention, if your state is late in the process, you might not even have that many candidates to choose from during your primary/caucus.

    But this is why it’s crucial for people who have that time, money and energy to do it. Do it for people who can’t afford to take a day off to go to a school-board meeting or something.

    Also, engage with your representatives. They are representing you. If you don’t agree with the way they’re voting, tell them. If they ignore you, keep the receipts and campaign for their opponent in the next primary.

    And I fully realize this is a shit-ton of work. But the other side has installed fundamentalists closing down libraries and banning books, stripping women of their rights, even if you do 'the things outside of your state… they want to register pregnancies and clamp down on women who don’t reproduce. They’ve elected people who will watch the world burn while their donors profit and the Supreme Court will make sure no harm comes to them.

    Is this true for some democrats? Yes. Is this true for all Republicans? No. Both sides have the power to choose the best people. Make sure you do your part and inspire others to do the same.

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    Not shown is the Democrats let the Republicans drill the hole and did not use the fact they had a majority to stop it.

    I am not saying the Democrats aren’t the better of two bad options, but we shouldn’t settle for the lesser of two evils. We should expect more. With that said, it requires effort, coalition building and local effort.

    If you are further left than Democrats, you should try running for local office, push the narrative to the left from all levels.

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      Running for office requires money a lot of people don’t have, even for local positions.

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        Not true. My wife ran and won for less than 300 dollars. It was a local city position, but still. It’s more community building than finances at the local level.

        Also, hold events for donations.

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        LOL starting price for me when I tried was $16,000 and that was just to get on the ballot in a minor position.

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      Other than the fact that the Democratic majority is often in name only, I agree. Dems are only the lesser evil - we must fight to build REAL alternatives in the long term.

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      The problem is that people just don’t vote often enough.

      *If there’s a primary and the candidates are almost identical, you vote for the one who is one step closer to your position.

      The Moral Majority pulled the GOP away from Rockefeller by the simple trick of showing up at every GOP function with enough bodies to win every nomination.

      We have to adopt that simple trick.

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      This is honestly the perfect microcosm of liberal thought. Just continuously posting low effort shitposts that literally state in the meme how ineffective and in-bed with fascists liberals are.

      We have OP coming into the comments acting like a holier than thou liberal, repeating the same vapid bullshit over and over.

      Meanwhile, Democrats just keep dumping one little bucket at a time as the boat gets lower and lower while screaming in tears at the guy trying to find the fucking life raft.

      “And fuck no, I’m not voting for you in November”

      Liberals in fucking hysterics throwing a tantrum about why leftists comprising 1% of the vote don’t like their blue MAGA instead of targeting the 60% republican vote with actual popular policy

      Lmao fuck liberals, y’all deserve to lose.

      “There is no genocide in Gaza”

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        Yes, yes, we get it, you find the idea of American minorities being murdered thrilling, and support all the aid to Israel Trump can muster. You can stop crowing about it from the top of every roof.

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          Are we forgetting that biden is currently the president and loves genocide so much that he refuses to stop supporting it, even though it’s costing him votes? If the best you can offer is “not the other guy” then all you’re telling us is that things will get worse no matter what.

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        It’s the over-the-top sarcasm and insincere indignation that galls me

        Then they’ll inevitably try claiming that yea, it’d be nice if we had someone with better politics but NOW’S NOT THE TIME TO MAKE A FUSS