• theparadox@lemmy.world
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      Not yet, but apparently the White House thinks the Panama Canal and Greenland are great excuses for war.

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        What’s Trump gonna do, fight Greenland, Canada, and Panama all at once? If he touches Greenland, he might get Europe involved. Same with Canada. Not to mention, the wars will probably be thought of as foolish and the public will oppose them. You might get soldiers going awol too. Canada would be a guerilla war in a cold ass place. You thought Iraq was bad? Not to mention, there would probably be Americans fighting on the Canadian side.

        I can’t even believe I’m talking about this. The world was mostly a peaceful place two months ago. Within a matter of weeks we’ve got Trump starting WW3.

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          Let’s just say that there a lot of things a creative and technically-minded body could do to make life an absolute fucking nightmare for the US government.

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    I didn’t expect wartime authority to start until closer to the election cycle…

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    Is that why we’re “invading” Greenland and Panama? For wartime power? Holy shit our laws make no sense.

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      No, I’ve come up with a hypothesis that he wants Greenland and Canada to control the Northwest Passage which, along with the Panama Canal, would give him a stranglehold on trade in pretty much the entire western hemisphere.

      I bet the idea was planted by Putin gloating about how great global warming is going to be for Russia, including opening up the Arctic Ocean to shipping, and how it’s such a shame that Canada and Greenland are standing in the way of Trump having the same thing.

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      No, he’s going to declare immigrants are invading the country and thus it qualifies as a wartime emergency.

      He’s still going to invade Panama though. Right after he’s done with Mexico.

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        I don’t think he’ll invade Mexico. Same issue as Canada - the guerrilla resistance would be far too much for an occupying force the size of the US military. Panama is possible however.

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          You think the insurgency in a country that includes the Darien Gap is going to be easy mode?

          Regardless, none of this is based of likelihood of good outcomes. That’s not how Trump works. He wants to be seen as the President who is doing something. As long as Panama gracefully accepts that they’re our ally while Trump is in office he’ll leave them alone. Mexico is far more likely because there’s no short term resolution to Cartels and immigration. As opposed to the other options he likely has conservative politicians pressuring him to invade Mexico right now.

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          I don’t think he’ll invade Mexico.

          There is actually some proof that Trump is planning to invade Mexico. Of course it doesn’t mean he will.

          Trump sent in elements of 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Combat Aviation Brigade, and additional support units which includes elements of 82nd ABN DIV, 101st ABN DIV, 4th ID, and 10th Mountain Brigade to the southern border over a week ago.

          These are combat troops unlike the troop deployments to Mexico under first Trump presidency which were civil affairs and engineers.

          Additional units albeit National Guard are being prepared to be deployed such as the 36th ID, 1st Squadron, and 124th CAV REG.

          the guerrilla resistance would be far too much for an occupying force the size of the US military.

          Indeed, as Critical Magazine states:

          “Invading Mexico to wipe out the cartels would effectively jettison everything America learned from our mistakes in the War on Terror. It would be costly, both in lives and treasure. It would be deeply unpopular — and it would fail.”

          “For starters, the cartels are not mere gangs. The cartels effectively control chunks of Mexico and are in many ways ingrained into society there. They are not a separate external growth which can be lasered off with a well-aimed cruise missile: the infection has spread throughout the body. Wiping out the cartels would require our soldiers going door to door, house to house, waging war. This is not to even mention the massive cost of such an attack. A Harvard study found that the total cost of the Iraq War was about $3 trillion; we have no reason to think Mexico would be cheaper.”

          As some guy on the internet stated:

          “There are mountains in Mexico as tough as Afghanistan. Mexicans taking to the hills, like the Afghans, would give the US a constant headache until the Americans are thrown out. Remember, like the US, Mexico started as an insurgency. Every. Single. Mexican conflict has been asymmetrical guerilla warfare (heck, that’s what the drug war is in the first place, that’s why it’s so hard - now we’ve just multiplied the problem by sending the entire Mexican Army packing to the forests and mountains). That’s what Mexico knows best. And that’s a nightmare scenario for the US.”

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            They’ve sent elements. Small groups. Invasion prep would see entire divisions deployed. For example the 300 101st troops recently sent are for “sustainment support” which is things like running food service.

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              They’ve sent elements. Small groups.

              Yes, US strength at the border is currently not ready for an invasion, not without substantial build-up (sending in a thousand troops into Mexico assuming the other 2k are support would be well stupid).

              Intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets including U-2S, RC-135V Rivet Joint aircraft, and P-8As are in Mexican airspace and some US Cyber Command teams have been pulled and refocused onto Mexico. This doesn’t mean that they are preparing for an invasion (with several high-level arrests being claimed to have resulted from these Surveillance Flight which if true, would mean cooperation with Mexican government) but does mean that some type of operation might be conducted in Mexico.

              “sustainment support” which is things like running food service

              Hence why I referred to them as “additional support units”.

              But nonetheless, yes you are right. It ain’t quite an invasion force yet.

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                Honestly, that is a route it could go. More like Vietnam than Iraq. We just keep building up “advisors” until suddenly it’s a whole war.