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  • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comtoPolitical Memes@lemmy.worldFailed roll for self-awareness
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    While you personally may not be responsible, it’s been reported that low Democratic voter turnout played a large factor in the election outcome.

    Larry Sabato, the director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, acknowledged that Biden voters who swung toward Mr. Trump played a part in Ms. Harris’s loss, but pointed to low Democratic turnout as the larger factor.

    Later, the article highlights clear cases (in some swing states) where Democratic voter turnout would have made a difference.

    Where Trump gained a little and Harris lost a lot.

    Mr. Trump won Florida’s Miami-Dade County, becoming the first Republican to do so since 1988. But again, Ms. Harris’s loss was just as much of the story as his gain: Mr. Trump won about 70,000 new votes in the county, while she lost nearly 140,000. Other counties that Mr. Trump flipped had similar vote disparities. In 21 of these 77 counties, Mr. Trump received fewer votes in this election than in 2020, but the Democratic vote drop-off was much steeper. This happened from coast to coast, from Fresno County, Calif., to Pinellas County, Fla.

    Non-voters allowed Trump to win.



  • A good bit of literature has studied the problem and arrived to recommendations that overlap in parts & depart in others with this playbook.

    A former parliamentarian of the Hungarian government studied its slide into illiberalism, and suggested remedies for the current, similar trend in the US. Resist in the courts & media, and build a powerful social base at the state & city level throughout the country. The latter means

    the Democratic Party must reconnect with the working class to preserve liberal institutions

    Doing that means

    1. “creating new and strengthening existing local organizational structures, especially labor unions”. Do not focus “on issues important to the active base only” such as “media freedom or democracy”: this leads to “failures of mass mobilizations”. “[E]ngage with [ordinary people] outside elections, focusing on issues that matter to them”.
    2. “[T]o push through popular reforms that elites oppose”, free “the party from elite capture” by shifting financing “from the corporate elite to small and micro-donations”.
    3. “[C]ommit to left-populist economic policies”.
    4. “[L]earn symbolic class politics”, “embrace the mundane and be down to earth”.

    you don’t protect democracy by talking about democracy — you protect democracy by protecting people

    I’m seeing the playbook overlap a bit with points 1 & 4, diverge from point 2, and not treat point 3.

    Another article reviews research observing a decades-long trend of class dealignment: workers abandoning the left-wing party & joining the right. As unions have weakened and Democrats abandoned them, the party has increasingly relied on & shifted appeal to urban middle class professionals & minorities. The review names 4 paths researched or discussed to reverse dealignment.

    • inclusive populism: “appeal to working-class voters’ sense of resentment at economic elites and stress how elites use racial resentment to divide segments of the working class that share a common interest in economic justice”
    • anti-woke social democ­racy: make “a clean break with factions of the party that embrace unpopular social and cultural messaging that alienates working-class voters”
    • deliverism: “pass and implement large-scale economic reforms that benefit working Americans”
    • institutionalism: reinvigorate a “labor movement capable of advancing working-class interest in politics and [re-embed] Democratic and progressive politics into the lived experiences of working-class communities”

    It looks like the playbook is going with anti-woke social democ­racy & institutionalism, rejecting inclusive populism, not mentioning deliverism.

    They seem to think the way to win the working class is to go more MAGA-like (anti-woke social democ­racy) instead of trying a competing strategy like inclusive populism. It also looks like they’re choosing not to break free of elite capture, which seems like a huge mistake.




  • I think even if there’s no absolute “intrinsic” meaning, with sufficient cultural use, that negative meaning is impossible to extricate from an unironic, active use of the word.

    I’m not sure of a succinct way to say that, so I see why intrinsic may have felt right. Maybe firmly established meaning?

    I think it’s a little academic to say “any offensive word” can be said in an “inoffensive manner”

    Technically correct best kind of correct? 😄

    I point it out because some people get carried away with bizarrely simplistic claims that make the rest of their argument hard to follow. The best way to interpret their argument is unclear.

    we’d then need to debate what it means to “use” a word in an offensive context versus another

    I think it could suffice to state it was used in a conventional sense as an insult or to stir animosity. Musk clearly is using it in the conventional, offensive sense to outrage progressive & elicit right-wing support of outraging progressives: classic demagogy.

    Back to your contention, yes, he’s using the firmly established meaning to offend & be bad, which bad people do. People criticize him to try to hold him accountable, which he is exploiting to advance his agenda.

    While I can’t see the comment you’re responding to, I’m going to guess it concerns the question why do words offend & do we need to let them offend us that much? You wrote

    Nobody is making the word bad.

    This is the crux of the matter. Conventions change, words change meaning. It’s not instant & uniform: various people influence & promote changes that not everyone agrees with, leading to contention. Some people do make words bad. This case had a campaign to do specifically that when the word was uncontroversial until then. People had to choose to make that word more offensive than it conventionally was, and not everyone was onboard with that with many still holding out.

    To see that choice, consider the words idiot, imbecile, moron. These words had similar origins as technical designations for mental disabilities, they have similar meanings and serve the same role as insults that aren’t that offensive. The current meaning & usage crowded out the historical one enough that it’s effectively forgotten.

    The word we’re discussing could have taken the same course & was on track to do that until some well-meaning activists intervened. What good does changing a word objectively do for the subjects they’re trying to support? If anything, it reinforces taboo. And it introduces a new, easy button to provoke moral outrage: if you don’t agree this word in particular is very offensive (unlike before), then you hate people with mental disabilities. Seems like a disservice.

    This moralizing conflict over words gives demagogues easy ammo to exploit. Was there a better way to support people that doesn’t do that?


  • That’s the good ol’ euphemism cycle/treadmill. Linguists have long observed a process of semantic shift, often pejoration, for words of taboo subjects.

    Words idiot, imbecile, moron were technical designations that became offensive yet somehow later softened into acceptable insults.

    Words colored people, negro, black went through the euphemism cycle. At some point black was reclaimed & became acceptable. Now people are afraid to say it again.

    VD became STD and now it’s STI. I still don’t know what was wrong with STD.

    This phenomenon reflects society’s avoidance of uncomfortable ideas by shifting words. The words change, though it’s questionable they objectively change society’s discomfort toward the subjects. The phenomenon might be reasonably criticized as ineffective & distracting.

    Can you guess what will happen to today’s euphemisms?




  • Dude, you do realize I didn’t endorse centralized moderation with a single word, let alone social algorithms or any of the other trash?

    They’re widespread varieties of moderation taken to natural limits. And they highlight the weaknesses of thinking that approach will save us when they’re often blamed for doing the opposite.

    Clearly, you disagree with that kind of moderation, so maybe you should “no true Scotsman” this & define precise boundaries of moderation you accept. The only type of moderation I might accept is the minimal necessary for legal compliance & labeling that allows the user to filter content themselves.

    become an utter pile of trash

    abundance of ways to spread nonsense fully automatically

    Matter of perspective: that “trash” we had before was beautiful. Sifting & picking through it wasn’t much of a problem. Despite the low moderation, the nonsense didn’t really spread & the fringe groups mostly kept to their odd sites when they weren’t being ridiculed.

    Look at Nostr.

    Also beautiful: beats bluesky & mastodon.

    Given you’re literally starting off with ad hominem

    Let’s add hypercritical to the list. I disagree with the alarmism over images & text on a screen, and I disagree with the infantilization of adults. Adults still think and are responsible for exercising judgment in the information they consume. Expressions alone do nothing until people choose to do something.


  • it must be a bunch of dorks that pronounce it wrong just because, right?

    Yep: I often see people try to “correct” learners at bootcamps pronouncing it Jason. The fact people pronounce it Jason until told otherwise tells us which is more natural. The “correction”, in contrast, is a myth that must be learned.

    Acknowledging something happens doesn’t endorse it, and Crawford never endorsed your pronunciation as natural. As I suggested earlier, he said “I strictly don’t care”. Jason is a completely reasonable & natural pronunciation.



  • Pretty much everyone used anonymous handles, so it was hard to be a victim, and very easy to disregard junk we didn’t like.

    I’m sensing strong overtones of a victim complex and excessive catastrophizing. You know they’re images & words on a screen, right?

    Enlightenment gives us freedom of expression. It seems uninformed & backward to assume faceless moderators of some private organization are the defenders of enlightenment, freedom, & democracy (especially while arguing against too much freedom).

    Centralized moderation & curation algorithms got us filter bubbles & echo chambers personalizing the information people consume, distorting their perceptions. It feeds users information they want to see (often polarizing them with extremist ideas) to keep them engaged on the platform & maintain a steady stream of ad revenue. Rather than defend enlightened principles of society, we observe & can continue to expect moderators to serve their own interests.

    Internet anarchy is a pretty good answer to that.