i guess you moved on, until a dumb shitpost also upset you 🤭

i wonder if the opinion that “this group of activists has it’s odd pitfalls” was shared by anyone, other than “many,” possibly even the OP. who knows?

also, who started this “discussion?” you didn’t have to express your self-righteous anger, or at least could have done so more politely, without demands that i censor a screencap to make you not feel so wronged and upset.

anyways 🥱 i’m bored. you got any games on your phone?

EDIT: i am skeptical that you do, indeed, have games on your phone, as you claimed. i patiently await your (relevant to mobile gaming) response, and may one day decide to no longer live in your walls.

🤡 <— this is you, defending human rights online

i guess i will just have to wait for your implied “or else” to happen to me, since you’re incapable of talking to people without making vaguely threatening demands the second you’re offended, which i assume happens often.

in case i wasn’t clear, this is also you:

[ 🤡 “Look at me! I solve problems that stopped happening before I was born by being an annoying, self-absorbed dumb-dumb that posts online!!” ]

i deeply care if you’re offended by any/everything, and will notify all relevant parties, if you are. there are none, but if there were any, i’d let them know you’re upset.

anyways, feel free to block me if you want, since honest discussion is beneath you, presumably. and dm me what your implied “or else” is, if you would like, just for funsies. i hope it was showing up at my place(s) of residence for irl harassment, because that would warm my heart. it would possibly give away the fact that i live in your walls tho, which would mean i have to move again… :<

good thing these guys seem in love with automating the process… 🙃

leaving most of the brain-thinkie parts up to an arduino totally solves the “this might kill someone” factor. no-knowledge synthesis is the future! (/s for anyone wanting to toss reagents in a jar, and hope robots are infallable)

really tho, mistakes that make fries taste bad, or twist an ankle don’t have shit on barely messing up a step in a synthesis that is to be consumed. it is like their reckless abandon is also intended to be a part of their cause, which makes things more confusing, and raises even more ethical questions.

YOU are telling ME (a very smart person btw) what to do 😡

-consumes a whole bottle of chlorine bleach in protest of the implication of being told what to do-

skydiving and motocross are very dangerous as well, and MMA/boxxing/other sports can result in severe injury or even death.

that said, syntheasis of any consumables lands in the “very dangerous” category somewhere, and the graphical-curve-related effect you described is very real in every field, and does often lead to harm.

legality of info that can (and is intended to) save/vastly improve lives, but also can destroy/end them if mishandled isn’t a right i would like to see disappear. the intent to help/harm difference is the key.

these guys seem to want to help, but also suggest some not-so-safe methods and applicationals. idk if lack of credibility is a part of their mission, but it almost feels like it’s intentional, which i am unsure how i feel about, as it muddies the waters on intent.

but really, them not mentioning waste management, or other key components of safety isn’t great, and might feed into over-confidence that can lead to people getting hurt. plus, the hot-takes on infection prevention almost verifies their lack of understanding of medicine/the human body.

i actually just learned that today… i am realizing i misunderstood the main purpose (probably) of the group. they are very focused on bodily autonamy, and pushing the boundaries of what’s allowed, as far as information sharing goes.

the lead guy also was suggesting heroin dealers lace their product with medication to prevent the spread of hepatitis, which sounds good, but doing so could result in an even more deadly super strain of the infection. he could have suggested wholly against sharing injection equipment, or emphasized the importance of “safe injection” sites that are staffed by medical personel, to help titrate the dose and safely end their addiction. at least he’s not telling people to synthesize suboxone at home, but ugh.

i don’t necissarily trust the information the they’re spreading, due to that and other factors, such as the lack of medical/synthesis knowledge outside of clandestine MDMA production. i do see that they do this more as “keep this stuff legal” measure, but a lot of their decisions seem reckless. maybe to further their cause/point? idk, it’s a mess.

info hazards (like production methods for sarin) are definitely real, and not always directly chemistry related. i.e. instructions on how to make a thermonuclear weapons, or get away with human rights violations with the right paperwork.

the concept of hazardous information is somewhat new to me, and i genuinely lost some sleep when i learned “information wants to be free,” is always true, but not always great.

but yes, i agree that info on chemistry, the availabilty of equipment, and legality of practicing it should be something to protect. all three have been in decline (at least in the US) for a while.

i didn’t write the part that is an image, it’s a screenshot. i don’t disagree with you, in that “decisions for your own body” is not something that has always historically, or before written history, been a given at all. it definitely should not be taken for granted, and had/has to be defended and fought for, much like labor rights.

but also, you could try a better communication method than “you better -insert demand here-” statements. it’s not condusive to a conversation, and seems more like a threat over a post on the interet upsetting you.

🤔 tough call, really. depends on ths meaning of “sickest,” in this context, and (completely genuinely) whether or not this specific group bioterrorists are practicing reasonable safety/harm reduction practices.

i did not realize this, but they may have skipped the whole “chemistry knowledge/experience” and scaling up for efficiency parts of the process, to jump right into automation… kind of bonkers lol.

almost definitely going to catch it live or recorded, but i might be equally intrigued and horrified. i was hoping they chose to use the tone they did to get people excited/interested, but it might be just how they feel.

the last bit is almost true, but mainly due to specialization, not training, since they go through the same coursework as each other involving medication. a primary care doctor has to have tons of base knowlege on almost every condition, infection, etc, so the education on chemicals to treat them with gets partly lost to the more relevant-to-role info. i am terrible with names, so even remembering all the preferred specialists to refer patients to would be taking up an unreasonable amount of brain storage space tbh.

i haven’t had the education to be a pharmacist, but conversations with a few of them has made pretty annoyed for them. there is way more training already than one would expect, but they are doomed to almost exclusively count pills and read off the occasional warning label, essentially. medication interactions, conditions affecting efficacy of specifc meds, and many other factors get offloaded to already overworked doctors. at least the insurers get paid twice, from the doctor visit, and the pharmacy… 🙃

that sounds… questionable, almost at best. i will still probably tune in, but i’m now prepared to be kind of horrified honestly. i’m not sure someone with a math degree and no chemistry experience is the best source for this kind of information, especially when the substances being produced are meant to be consumed.

if i said “giant mechs controlled by cute cats rule,” would that mean i am actually a feline inside a really badass mech suit?

i mentioned that they “decide what’s safe,” which you seem to agree with whole-heartedly…

i also didn’t claim that i, personally, am a “bioterrorist,” and the info about the talk doesn’t claim any person themselves is “criminalized.”

do you always jump into talking with people with this many assumptions and misconceptions? it is confusing tbh, and i am unsure if you’re just trolling, or enjoy arguing for no reason.

the constituents’ best interest unfortunately doesn’t make the senate/congress any money. it would be nice if they had priorites outside making easy money by bending to every corporate lobby.

unrestricted access would be a nightmare. Mexico’s strategy of allowing trained pharmacists to dispense basic meds (like a z-pac) seems like a happy medium. seeing a doctor for stuff like that can be expensive and time consuming, and like an excuse for insurance companies to profit.

i can edit the OP. i think i over-estimated how many people would read the text from the link.

i don’t hang around anti-vaccer type spaces or people, and i hope you can avoid them too, since getting sick isn’t fun.

antibiotic misuse seems more likely to me when people “ration” them, because of the difficulty obtaining them. i do see where you’re coming from though, since misuse (generally early discontinuation) can cause problems.

🤔 i don’t remember mentioning a desire to create, manifest through demonic portal, synthesize, or extract anything not allowed by law. it seems more than a little presumptious to assume i have the want/need to accompish that. the aforementioned live event is not about anything on the CSA, but you did mention “controlled substances,” which admittedly triggers me. i suppose you’re a fan of the “war on drugs.” you do you, i guess.

since we are asking random questions…

what educational materials or ideas do you desire it to be illegal to diseminate? just curious

i guess i’ll let the FDA and DEA (the lovely agency that largely gets to decide what substances on the “controlled substances” list, then also enforce the laws around those substances) decide what’s safe for myself personally, and everyone else 🤷

to learn about the talk, feel free to click the first link, if you like. it isn’t really going to be about laws or “Guv’ment,” i don’t think. first paragraph (in screenshot) is an attention grabber tho, and i guess it rubs some people the wrong way.

fair enough. i don’t think educating shitty artisans to help them hone their skill is a bad thing tho, as long as safety and harm reduction are practiced (in the case of medicine especially)

pharmacists are trained extensively about every class of FDA approved medicine, but doctors (primarily PCPs) are given insanely huge caseloads of “Becky-Sue needs antibiotics” type cases. i think you misunderstood what the talk/stream is about tbh.

manufacturing meds that are known to help and tested as such isn’t exactly new, groundbreaking stuff. i don’t think these guys are going to be pushing for scam-of-the-week alternative medicine lol