Not trying to be an asshole but if you expect anything will materially change you shouldn’t be surprised when the DNC rug pulls you again.

I really want to include the new DNC chair in that list.

I strongly disagree.

“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats, who share our values, and we will take their money. But we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires” - New DNC Head Martin

The DNC is run by corporate democrats which, aside from the hate, racism and bigotry, might well be the on the same team as Republicans when it comes to facilitating the actions of the wealthy in this country. Its why nothing materially changes when Dems run the show. Their wealthy donors are happy with the job they are doing currently, which doesn’t include improving the quality of life for the vast majority of us because it is easier to exploit a populous that is teetering on the edge of ruin. How many of you cant change jobs because you’d lose your insurance? How few Americans have 500 dollars in the bank for a catastrophic emergency? The fact that we have to live in such a precarious position is a feature to the wealthy that allows them to exploit us for their significant personal gains. They don’t see us as people, they see us as a resource to exploit and toss when they are done.

Did Biden push for Universal healthcare, or even talk about it really? What about pressing for codifying of Roe v. Wade? Or wage theft being, from a dollar perspective, the vast majority of theft that occurs in this country? Marijuana reform? Better to leave that as a carrot to try to get votes as they’ve shown in the last 3 elections… What about taxing the rich as a rebuttal to the constant assault on social services that help the most vulnerable in our society yet account for the smallest fraction of the actual budget? Or upholding the law and holding Trump and his cronies for the January 6th attack on our nation, which should have prevented Trump from running in the first place? The wealthy in this country are seeing their wealth explode from a government that today has enabled them to wholesale embrace corruption by attacking regulatory and oversight bodies… wonder why they didnt want Trump to be held accountable…

Biden did things in his term to help Americans to an extent, but these Donkeys in the room are glaring examples of areas that Biden had flat out ignored or intentionally neglected us. The reason to me is that the money didn’t support those initiatives… i.e. not in the donors interests.

Remember that the DNC put Biden there, and if we let them they will happily keep playing the role of controlled opposition as a fulcrum to leverage our nation to the right while giving lip service to the things we care about and enriching themselves with our donations.

I remember when Elon Musk was a “good billionaire” friend. In my opinion there are no good billionaires because the pursuit of money to that extent requires exploitation and abuse on a grand scale.

So yeah I don’t give a fuck if he has all the money in the world, I don’t think money should be the deciding factor in elections. I don’t think that any string a billionaire offers is worth it.

If we run a candidate who’s values authentically align with what Dem voters want, why turn down donations?

Because they can tell you all day that they align with your values and then suddenly they don’t. Remember Elon Musk? Tech billionaire, “real life tony stark”, whose electric vehicles were going to usher in a new era of renewable transportation… People lie.

He didn’t say that they could be relied on. He said he’d take their fucking money. Why do you think that’s an unpragmatic strategy?

Because I understand how the world works? That concessions are made in back room deals and that the money doesn’t change hands until the buyer feels confident they are getting what they want? We know how this goes.

I would forego all billionaire donations to ensure the party wasn’t being controlled by back room interests, you know the deals made to get the contribution? They aren’t adhering to campaign finance limits they are drowning out normal Americans with their outside influence.

“Billionaire campaign spending on this scale drowns out the voices and concerns of ordinary Americans. It is one of the most obvious and disturbing consequences of the growth of billionaire fortunes, as well as being a prime indicator that the system regulating campaign finance has collapsed,” said David Kass, ATF’s executive director.

https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaire-clans-spend-nearly-2-billion-2024-elections/

“We’ll continue to take money from the Good Billionaires” - New DNC head

Both parties are owned by the wealthy, which is why you don’t see Corporate democrats fighting against this shit. Their job is to make sure that if things don’t go red, at least they won’t go too blue. A good chunk (and the controlling collective) of the democratic party are more than happy to play the controlled opposition as they rake in your money to ensure you can’t use it to meaningfully make change.

Democrats are the controlled opposition. It’s why they would never give Sanders a fair shake. He would upset them “good billionaires” because going further right is preferable than a single step left for the wealthy.

“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats, who share our values, and we will take their money. But we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires.” - New DNC head

It’s a good thing we can all agree on what the definition of good and bad is, and how its applied in our society right?

The democratic party is there to provide you the illusion of choice, but the whole game is rigged with billionaires cash. At this point I don’t see the democratic party as anything but the controlled opposition.

“There are a lot of good billionaires out there that have been with Democrats, who share our values, and we will take their money. But we’re not taking money from those bad billionaires.” - New DNC head

Remember that until just a couple of years ago Elon was a “good billionaire” whose green vehicles were going to save the planet! Wonder what he’s getting up to these days…

It’s funny how many people want to downvote this fact, but no matter how you slice it the difference between the pre-election messaging and post is deafening.

Agreed. Remember that corporate Democrats, on the heels of their loss, were grappling with the idea they should have tried to sell out trans people to try to get more republican votes? I remember.

They made a great deal of money though acting like they believed Trump winning was going to be the end of Democracy. I agree he will be, but their actions after the election show me they don’t believe it, or they don’t care because they see their own opportunity there. The fact that they aren’t even trying to gum the works for his cabinet shows how on board they are.

If you were in a position of power watching these events unfold would you be cool helping rubber stamp to enable them? I sure a fuck couldn’t. But our supposed “last bastion of democracy” collectively doesn’t seem to have an issue. Don’t want to rock the boat on the road to our new christofascist state huh?

If bakers can choose their customers based on sexual orientation doctors should be able to choose their patients based on political affiliation. At least one of these is a choice.