Would love to know where you’re getting your numbers from for the US and China. I surely hope it’s not just the AI response on top of Google. But that’s what it seems like. You’d literally have to write a whole research paper to get a good comparison because these are heavily consumer based subsidies within each country and China just has a much larger market it sells to heavily inflating the credit because of population. Also, you didn’t list a date range for your 30 Billion number.

You also have to account for state level subsidies and tax credits in the US in addition to Federal programs, grants, loans, etc. Would love to read a paper on this if you have a source.

But, even using your numbers 30 Billion (something I don’t think is accounting for State or EV infrastructure spending; but again, I’d like to see a source) is not a “drop in the bucket”. It’s 13% of what you listed for China over 14 years. Interestingly enough China also outselling the US in terms of market share. Comparing the subsidies of a country that owns the plurality of the market to one that does not is silly. Subsidies are going to increase WITH sales. China is selling significantly more cars. You’d have to compare the subsidies and adjust them based on units sold.

Doing some “Google AI response results” myself China is selling about 8x more EVs than the US (in 2023).

Hmmm. 8x30 = 240 billion. Weird. Again, I’m not taking my numbers seriously but I’m not taking your numbers seriously either because you didn’t sight a source, adjust for units sold, or give a date range for your US numbers.

But you’re just not comparing this correctly. You HAVE to adjust for units sold. Which you are not.

My dude the US subsidizes the shit out of its electric car industry. When someone brings up “supply and demand” and just tries to pretend that the economy is exactly what they learned in their econ101 class.

They are doing the tarrifs on Chinese EVS because (1) they can’t compete on price and (2) the Chinese EVS are just a superior product.

You’re right on China though. They are just doing exactly what the US has done for decades. It’s just that the US doesn’t like having to actually compete with another country. So instead of actually making better and cheaper cars they instead just decide to tell the American people “nah, looks like you’re just being a shit Tesla”

The US loves to say “free market” but notice how they don’t allow a free market to force their industry to actually innovate and compete.

China is not “cheating” by subsidizing it’s industry. That’s literally just standard shit every government does. Thats just an excuse. America is subsidizing it’s EVs too. They just have worse EVs.

Nothing quite says “American Capitalist bootlicker” more than proudly paying more for an inferior product while complaining that it’s the Communists fault.

I just use the regex101 site. I don’t need anything too complicated ever. Has all the common syntax and shows matches as you type. Supports the different languages and globals.

I wish I could but since I use bash at work (often on embedded systems so no custom scripts or anything that isn’t source code) I just don’t want to go back and forth between the two.

The sad thing is that even chatgpt can’t program in bash. I just want a simple script and every single time it just doesn’t work. I always just end up saying “write this in python instead”.

I mean they’re happy because right now it’s just “owning the libs”. When their social security checks don’t show up or their Medicaid gets denied I like to think they’ll learn. But the Republicans are already trying to line that up to be “corruption and immigrants”. I also like to think that the Republicans will lose some of their propaganda power the longer they are in office. You can only hit the “blame DEI” button so many times before it doesn’t work anymore.

Sometimes I think Democrat establishment bootlickers actually wanted to lose just so they could write comments like this.

Are you gonna be like the lady that called ICE on her neighbor because the son voted for Trump to get his parents deported? Like, you have no actual moral compass. You just want your team to win and will attack anyone that might hurt your team. You’re attacking people that are against genocide for not voting for a candidate that supports genocide.

So a mass of Americans misunderstood something about politics and that’s the voters fault. Ok. Sure. Ill give you that. But if only there was a major political party we could use to communicate with a mass of these Americans and correct the record.

Oh, wait, that’s literally the job the Democratic party. You can come up with any excuse; voters, Republicans, misinformation, media, etc. But at the end of the day the party that is actually responsible for combatting those things failed. They failed to communicate with the American people. They are run by a bunch of rich old boomers with zero connection or understanding to the workers of America.

If you don’t criticize the party and instead let them get away with “blaming voters” then they will never actually change their policies and messaging that has failed them over and over again.

Seriously, if the problems is actually voters then isn’t the solution in changing the actual platform we use to communicate with voters? Because if that platform isn’t working then we should blame that platform as well. Actually, we should focus on the problems with that platform BECAUSE that is what is used to change voters minds.

So I’d say that’s heavily weighted to a large portion of the population that just has zero say (statically) over the election. The electoral college makes our elections statistically pointless for 43/50 states. So any “stay as home” people or “blue states shifting red” are just a reflection of how little people have faith in the democratic party. But not actually a reflection of what lost the election.

For example, I live in Washington, there is just no statistical way my state goes for Trump. So I voted for the PSL candidate for president and went Democrat down the ballot the rest of the way.

As far as the presidential vote goes I am essentially the same as a non voter. But that did NOT matter at all. My state went blue. And my PSL vote was influenced by that. If I was in Georgia (my previous home state) I’d have voted for Harris.

I feel like the focus on the “protest vote” is trivial. The states that mattered lost the non political person to the couch because the Democrats couldn’t message to them enough to get them to care to drive to the polls.

At the end of the day. The Dems lost because they didn’t give any progressive minded people a reason to get off the couch on election day. They instead spent their whole campaign trying to “turn” voters they could never win on issues like “tough on immigrant” policies.

Can you name one thing you think the Democrats did wrong? I mean people have the right to vote or not vote for whoever they want. That’s kind of the point of a democracy. Isn’t it a failure of the party and/or candidate if they didn’t convince people to vote for them? You can point all day to voters but at the end of the day the party knew all this stuff and still didn’t change their messaging to attract turnout.

The Democrats not once but twice lost to him. Who do you suggest we blame if not the candidates that lost?

I mean they don’t need to translate trump. Zelensky can definitely understand well enough. But you can tell he definitely losing some ability to not respond in his native tongue. So I think a one way translator to English would be helpful.

Votes? Are there actually people that still think votes matter at this point? Even if there was another election (or even the midterms) this shit is already a shit show. Elons gonna be doing some “super secure new voting system” by the time that happens. Votes are useless at this point.

I’m not going to tell people how to organize. But a single day boycott with no demands or goals is not organizing. It’s almost alienating in a way. Now, if you got together with friends and did something else like made sandwiches and went to a park. Awesome! You did something and probably all talked about issues together today. That’s positive.

But if you sat at home and said nothing to anyone and hoped for some news story about a massive drop in sale and economic instability. Well, that didn’t happen. And so people can have different reactions to that. My problem is that I think the net reaction is negative. It makes people feel like collective actions are useless. And they are when it comes to single day consumption.

But collective actions and organization are the fundamental power of working class movements. But the working class has its power in labor.

Now, economic boycotts can have power, but not in the way this is being done. Take South Africa BDS movements for example. These put real economic pressures on companies associated with South African apartheid. But these movements had clear demands and no time limit on the boycotts.

Single day boycotts are essentially useless in my eyes. I don’t think they can ever reach the scale to do so. At least they never have historically.

Hunger strikes are only as useful as the attention that they can bring. I’ll use Gaza as an example. The people of Gaza on March 2018 protested they Apartheid state of Israel in a peaceful march towards the walls around Gaza. Hundreds of men women and children were slaughtered by Israeli snipers. And nothing changed. Acts of peaceful protest like hunger strikes or civil disobedience are only effective if they put public pressure on a population that is inactive. The Gazan people have no one that cared of the injustice being placed upon them.

When these types of peaceful protest are met with violence and silence from the media the only actions that oppressed people have left are in violent revolution.

Labor organizing is the only real alternative to violent revolution that has been proven effective historically. But those movements are often met with violence from the state.

I don’t know if that answered your question. But I think I hit some of it.

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Your individual power extends to your company. The power of unions extends throughout all of industry. It’s why major unions are trying to organize a general strike for 2028. Yes. 2028. And even that is incredibly soon given all the work that needs to be done.

Twitter is not only comprised of “well paid” class traitors. What do you think happens when the people that clean the server rooms don’t show up? What happens when the garbage collection at Twitter doesn’t show up?

The dock workers union alone was able to get a deal recently just as the threat of a strike. We don’t need the support of every single worker (though every one helps. Even the software engineers as they fundamentally share the same class interest). We need an expansive organization, strike funds, and a clear set of demands. This is what is being organized. But every single union that forms gives us more collective power. Yes, even the ones as your small business of 10 employees.

Sorry. If you’re actually asking but I thought I was pretty clear. Labor organizing is where power is. This starts at YOUR workplace. There are plenty of resources and “maps” to get you started but that is often very unique to your location and place of work. There is not a single meme image that I can post. This takes work. The start of that work is looking for labor organizing movements in your area and place of work. If there are no existing unions or labor movements you can contact the AFL-CIO or other organizations in your field. They can help you learn more about your resources.

https://aflcio.org/formaunion

This takes work. If I could post a meme image like the OP I would. But it doesn’t work that way. You need to be ready to do work. Talking to your coworkers, agitating, etc.

Chris Smalls is your inspiration but we need 1000 more Chris Smalls throughout the country. Not one day of a consumer boycott.

This is not about being a downer towards any movement. It’s about understanding that class war is always filled with distractions like these single day consumer boycotts that do absolutely nothing. People that are downers about them are trying to direct people towards what should actually be done. It’s not one massive movement out of the blue. It takes a lot of local and small work to even get to having any leverage at that scale.

Once we actually have a massive labor organizing movement in this country THEN the leaders of major unions can call for and organize something like a general strike. But that doesn’t happen on its own because someone posted a “general strike” meme on reddit. It’s takes a lot of work, organizing, and very specific demands, and strike funds.

But this all starts with you and the organization of labor in your workplace.

We are fighting capital. It doesn’t just end up with a bunch of peaceful protests and the capitalist class rolling over and saying “ok you can all have healthcare”. They have all the power of the police, state violence, and media agitating. It’s why you need massive organization, solidarity, and funding for your cause. And most of all very specific and united demands. Otherwise these movements quickly die when people can’t pay their rent or buy food.

Organizing around denying consumption is the exact opposite of what a general strike would do. This does nothing but make people feel like nothing they do matters because it’s focusing on the exact opposite of what we should be organizing on. We should be organizing around labor.

I can’t tell if these online “consumption power” movements are just a reflection of the complete lack of class consciousness. Or if they are planned distractions that are designed to fail to make people feel powerless. I think it’s a bit of both.

Exactly. Withholding consumption is not where our collective power is. Withholding Labor is where our collective power is. These “consumer power” movements are so incredibly capitalist brained. Our working class is so brain rotted by capitalism that they can only think of “power in the hand of consumers” which is one of the biggest most obvious lies capitalist tell.