• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world
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    Yeah man.

    They totally didn’t renege, again, on their publicly stated principles.

    They’re just oh-so-powerless and had no choice, not even when they had control of Congress for two years and chose not to do anything then either. It’s the Democrats we should definitely be feeling bad for here, because they’re just so weak and easy to take advantage of by those cunning, swindling Republicans.

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      this is always the problem, politics is a nuanced game. Even if you want to solve the problem you have to convince everyone there is a problem and then get everyone on board with how you’re going to solve it.

      it’s not something you can just snap your fingers and do. it’s made doubly hard when you have an entire wing of the government and corporatocracy fighting a culture war in order to divide the people so they can’t overthrow them.

      so does this fly in the face of their publicly stated principles? yes, but it’s the best option they have. this is what happens when you let apathy win you get only bad options.

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        so does this fly in the face of their publicly stated principles? yes,

        It doesn’t matter. We’ve observed that their actions are generally contrary to what they say. You may pull the lever for Democrat but all you get are Republican politics.

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          What you get here is literally Republican politics. It was a R provision. You take this now or come January you get this and 10x it added from the republican wish lists. Want to say no and refuse it, fine, but the calendar marches on and you’ll lose either way.

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            you’ll lose either way

            There’s that old neoliberal spirit. Always makes my heart warm to watch people tell me that doing nothing’s okay because fighting back is just too hard.

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              Good try, but I was referring to the leftist/tankie division as you well know. The choices as it stood are functionally sign this, keep arguing until the next admin comes online and signs something far worse, or sit on your hands and do nothing for the same result. Those pushing the provision know time is on their side, and so do you.

              So you get this bill, or you get theatrics that go nowhere until you get something worse, which do you choose?

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                Totally.

                It’s the leftists/tankies’ fault, even though they have absolutely no power whatsoever in our political system. I say it’s your fault and mine, since we voted Biden and Democrat in 2020 in full knowledge that they were conservatives, as evidenced by everything they’ve done since Clinton was elected. What’s even worse is we rewarded them twice for killing Bernie’s candidacy.

                The point you’re trying to make, in light of the last 40 years of Democrats’ politics, isn’t reasonable. These lawmakers aren’t powerless, they’re complicit.

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                  I like to think you’re catching the point, but it seems lost still.

                  I know perfectly well they have no power. The ones that are going to sit there and throw a fit at the Dems though are the leftists who will say the Dems didn’t do anything.

                  The Dems who do have power have to make a choice of take this with the poison pill, or sit and argue, or do nothing and hope the incoming admin won’t make it worse when the current R’s refuse to move. Which choice would you make?