• formergijoe@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    This makes sense. How else could the US take over the British airports during the revolutionary war without our history with Rome?

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    False, according to snopes:

    What Trump actually said, in his opening remarks during the press conference, was as follows: “The United States and Italy are bound together by a shared cultural and political heritage dating back thousands of years, to ancient Rome …”

    Edit: Even after reading this quote twice, I can’t really understand what Trump wanted to say.

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      He thinks he’s complimenting them by linking them to the Roman Empire. Also he’s probably completely forgotten that democracy was created by the Greeks.

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      he’s talking about how fascists are obsessed with Rome and think they share white heritage or whatever

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        We’re all the descendants of when Hercules impregnated every female trojan as part of his 13th labour. You can read all about it in my book “The Da Vinci Code: Die Harder”

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      America was founded on Roman ideals. I mean look at our capital building. Not only is it built in a Roman style there’s literally a mural of the founding fathers consulting with Roman gods.

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        Alright, you might wanna sit down for this. Hate to be the one breaking it to you, buuut the Internet is not always a rational place…

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      Edit: Even after reading this quote twice, I can’t really understand what Trump wanted to say.

      Can anyone ever?

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        My take is that he sees himself as Julius Caesar reincarnate, overthrower of the Republic and the first emperor of the USA. If you read about the last days of the Republic there are so many historically rhyming events that with the current state of America, a repeat of history seems almost inevitable. A spate of military wins means Rome becomes very rich very quickly, disband rival military power which leads to pirates and banditry, widespread extremes of wealth and poverty, politicians riling the public up into a frenzy with populist talking points, using corrupt judiciary system to punish their political opponents, plebs forcing themselves in on senate discussions, Krassus was a mega oligarch banker who bankrolled politicians and held debts as favours to call on, the Bona Dea scandal, Clodius being unceremoniously taken to court for sneaking into a women-only festival, who is betrayed by another political rival Sicero only to then be equitted (jury was bribed), and the subsequent crossing of the Rubicon by Caesar, leading to insurrection, more political assassinations, and the fall of the Republic.

        I would say he is as spiteful and vengeful as Clodius (and feels wronged in the same way he did by the court cases against him), is as ambitious as Caesar, has Musk as his Krassus-figure backing him, craves attention and celebration of himself like Pompey, and thinks he is as important and catalytic to political change as the Gracchus brothers were.

        Trump aspires to be as awful and as “great” as the conniving ruling class of ancient Rome, because he us just as morally bankrupt as many of them.

        However all of these observations seem at odds with the way he presents himself - seemingly senile, lexicon of a five-year-old, and lacks any of the charisma and knack for timing that the great orators of the Senate had. In comparison, Trump as an isolated figure is but a skidmark compared to the intellectual brilliance of the Roman elite.

        • brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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          The Olympics did it better

          (More difficult than I imagined to find articles about it, there are plenty though from random sources)

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        It doesn’t matter if what he says makes sense or is true; if he says it confidently and double downs on it, people will be convinced (or be coerced to agree)

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      I think he meant culture and politics has been similar since the time of ancient Rome, maybe thinking the United States existed that long ago.

      It did not.

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        To play the ultimate Devil’s Advocate, the Romans did leave a lasting cultural impact on Brittain. So in a way we have a cultural bloodline that is distantly connected to Rome.

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          Ridiculous, I suppose next you’ll say that the US government has a senate that meets in a columned building!

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          The American system is a direct descendant of Enlightenment Classicism, which includes a respect for the Classical Republics. Athens, Rome, Thebes, etc.

          American federal government and arguably as a result liberalism is quite literally an imitation and attempt at modernization of the Roman Republic, which is, among other things, why we adopted the eagle as a national symbol and have a fasces in the House of Representatives.

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      Weird,

      Trump already says a bunch of stupid shit on his own.

      Not sure why someone would make the OP and make shit up.

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          It doesn’t look like something that he wrote himself, and it does make sense. Wikipedia even has an article about it.

          Trump says a lot of nonsense, but something isn’t nonsense just because Trump said it.

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      He’s fucking retarded.

      2024 and this guy is using “retarded” as a slur and not being downvoted? Lame.

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            Just don’t have opinions when someone else might have a different one

            (But only if you are being nice)

            Stop external communication of internal perspectives you lefty!

      • brbposting@sh.itjust.works
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        Did u just ableistize

        You can’t say “lame”, six or seven people associate it with disabilities so it’s offensive

        (JK, “retarded” is dumb to say though cuz it’s like 60 or 70 percent of people who associate it with disabilities)

        Yeah that’s my tangent, my 2024 guide for being a normal human:

        • retard bad
        • lame reclaimed (or unlikely to remind 98% of people of handicaps)

        Open to other opinions!

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          A while ago, I lived in a house with back steps that were not built in accord with safety regulations. My then dog (goddamn was she the best, smelliest dog ever) fell off the side and hurt her leg. It was late at night, so we took her to an emergency vet, where they did see and help her; but while we were in the waiting room, we saw a sign saying “lame dogs will be seen last.” I still don’t understand how they determined which dogs were cool.

          Anyway, years later, I fell off the front porch, which also wasn’t up to spec. I broke my ankle and it healed improperly. Guess I’m the lame one now.

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            Sorry about you & your doggie. Dude it healed wrong?! That SUCKS! Why would it do that, dumb ankle. How bad is it? You coping OK?


            **[1] this is where “LOL” was gonna go since the cool dog story was funny but needed to move the latter feelings first

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              Thank you for your response and empathy. I’ve actually mentioned it several times in my post history, so I apologize in advance to any future lemmings who care to review my comments. That said:

              It’s bad. I can’t comfortably shower or check my mail. However, it could be worse. I can still stand and walk and, if I’m willing to endure the discomfort, go through fairly normal tasks like the above. I have gained a lot of weight since it happened and my body is an embarrassment, but oh well.

              I’m coping. It’s been almost three years. I don’t really have any choice; I can largely function like a normal person, it just hurts, but it’s not impossible. Thank you for asking, it’s very kind of you.

              I do miss my dog. She was a good dog.

              edit: I appreciate your use of footnotes.

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                Unbelievable your house would turn against you two like that :(

                Sorry to hear about the pain and all. Well sounds like we agree - onward, friend! 💪

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                  Your attitude and, I have to assume, approach to life are admirable. Hopefully you can conquer whatever challenge you face next and enjoy doing so.

                  edit: is/are

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    Maybe he means that America has always treated Italians with the utmost respect, maybe except when they were treated like utter garbage when their poor, tired, unwashed masses showed up on the shores of the USA.

    Not exactly allies during WW2, unless he means Mussolini’s ideals and Trump’s ideals share similar political threads.