Even dickheads love their dogs. Find a way to connect to those you disagree with. “The obvious mistakes of those who find themselves in opposition are to break off relations with those who disagree with you,” texts Vera Krichevskaya, the co-founder of TV Rain, Russia’s last independent TV station. “You cannot allow anger and narrow your circle.”
Pay in cash. Ask yourself what an international drug trafficker would do, and do that.
He’s thinking about flying a SpaceX rocket to Mars and raping and pillaging its rare earth minerals before anyone else can get there. We need a 30-year road map out of this.
- Take the piss. Humour is a weapon. Any man who feels the need to build a rocket is not overconfident about his masculinity. Work with that.
Are all covid deaths in US because of Trump? What did he exactly do/not do then?
I saw your username and still think we over paid.
The United States was actually well set-up to defend against pandemics. After the ebola scare, the Obama administration created a task force to effectively respond to future infectious diseases, and a plan was written up to guide the U.S. through a potential pandemic crisis situation.
Purely out of pride, Trump disbanded the task force and scrapped all of the planning that was done during the Obama era, and then 2 years later was hit by the exact kind of situation the U.S. had planned for.
I can’t guarantee that the U.S. would have avoided lockdowns, and the exact number of Americans killed by Trump’s decision will always be nebulous, but it’s very clear that his decisions before and during the COVID pandemic were harmful.
To defend the devil himself there would not have been much of a difference if it was the dems in charge since half the population is still brain dead anyway… They would have refused to vaccinate and spread conspiracy theories either way.
Don’t get me wrong he is still guilty much more could have been done to prevent these deaths
With ANYONE else in charge it would have been better because they would not have been actively undermining the medical and scientific communities by telling people to drink bleach or shine UV lamps up their asses.
We had the most severe rate of COVID deaths in the world outside of Eastern Europe. That shouldn’t happen in the most powerful country in the world. We failed to do the things we needed to early on and created a culture of misinformation because our president decided to play politics in a crisis.
Had we reacted as well as New Zealand, largely considered to have one of the better responses, we theoretically could have had 280k deaths instead of 1.2 million. (If we matched their death rate) Obviously population density and our countries complex system account for some of the difference in death rate, but it doesn’t account for the enormous gulf between us and other wealthy countries. We are the only wealthy country in the world that had a death rate as high as ours. He bungled the response and likely got an extra half a million people killed. It’s amazing that this fact alone didn’t end his political career, but Americans suck at interpreting data.
Sure, but the person I was replying to claimed that “Trump’s incompetence caused a million people to die,” and I was questioning whether all of that can really be blamed on him. Because I don’t think so. He was pro-vaccine from the beginning, and there were plenty of Democrat politicians saying they wouldn’t take “the Trump vaccine.”
And no, I don’t think the situation was handled optimally in the U.S. - but that was the case almost everywhere. Obviously, Trump isn’t without fault here, but placing all the blame on him feels disingenuous
President Harry Truman had a sign on his desk. ‘The buck stops here.’ That meant he knew that he couldn’t ‘pass the buck’ and say he wasn’t responsible.
To put it another way. When Ebola was a threat, Trump said that Obama should resign if one American died of it. By Trump’s own logic he’s unfit to be President.
I’m in healthcare and I didn’t hear anyone reference the vaccine as “the Trump vaccine”.
What I did see, what was part of the impetus that kept visitors banned for so long, even now, is the violence, treatment interference, and disruptions from people in full Trump regalia.
It is, in part, why so many visitor restrictions are still in play. Very few of us had encountered such and incredible level of spite, derision, and interruption of care from visitors, well, ever. There are still individuals who refuse transfusions because it might be vaccinated blood.
Doubt and such expressed by leadership encourages this bad behavior. Support expressed by leadership, especially by Trump to his MAGAs, would’ve helped quell it.
What strange land do you live in? In my corner of the US, being both anti-mask and anti-vaccine is very solidly a trumper thing. That’s regardless of the confusion very early in the pandemic or what one politician on a given side might have said once.
Oh it’s definitely a right-wing thing but I wouldn’t exactly blame Trump for all of it. He even got booed at his own rally for telling people to get vaccinated.
He literally mainstreamed anti-vax and anti-science and all you can say is no big deal. And oh look he said to get vaccinated one time so it’s okay.
That is a lot of fucking apology with a big side of lies. Not to mentioned disingenuous as well. Have fun trying to gaslight more people.
You can say that but can you back it up with evidence? Because if not, it’s actually you whose spreading lies here.
Where have I said “no big deal”?
What have I lied about exactly?
What anti-vax claims has Trump made during or after covid?
Trump leads, and his party follows, on vaccine skepticism
Trump doesn’t rule out banning vaccines if he becomes president: ‘I’ll make a decision’
And he nominated RFK, Jr., a noted anti-vaxxer, for Health and Human Services…
If I recall the order of events, that was after many months of peddling anti-vax ideas and getting anyone who would listen to him riled up at the prospect of there even being a pandemic. So I don’t think it’s much praise to note he tried, once, ineffectually, to push for people to get vaccinated, especially when he lets those booing him shut him down so easily.
That clip of him getting booed at the rally in August 2021, to me, especially shows why Trump deserves so much of the criticism. As president of the USA he was probably the individual with the most power and resources at his disposal to keep people from dying, from getting sick, from transmitting the disease. Not only did he actively make things worse for the first entire year of the pandemic being declared in the USA, when he finally does start telling people to get vaccinated it’s once he’s no longer in charge. On top of that, when he does it in the place with the lowest rate of vaccination in the entire country (according to this article published at the time: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404) he lets himself get booed into a soft, non-committal “I recommend you take it, but still you need to preserve your personal freedoms, also I took it so haha guys if it doesn’t work you’ll be the first to know!”.
Trump definitely deserves the most blame for repeatedly stoking the fire of an already bad situation. So much so that there are articles that exist titled “a timeline of how Trump failed to respond to the coronavirus” (https://www.vox.com/2020/6/8/21242003/trump-failed-coronavirus-response). Sure, if you want to be a bit pedantic, he’s not responsible for “all of it”. I don’t think anyone here is exactly claiming that either.
That sounds wild. Could you provide an example?
Sorry you’re getting down votes. I think you’re giving your honest perspective and that doesn’t deserve the dismissiveness. I do think you undersell how much Trump specifically had to do with misinformation though. I do really believe the culture around Trump really follows his lead, so when he was selling misinformation, you saw his followers parroting his misinformation which I do think was likely responsible for a lot of death.
All those down votes are what you get for trying to bring any logic and thought to the discourse. And we thought Lemmy would be better than Reddit, eh?
Wait, you think that post was bringing logic and thought? Even if they are correct in their conclusion, they didn’t bring any of that. It was just empty “no you’re wrong” and then whining about downvotes.
I disagree. I found myself swayed by their argument.
The topic has been debated to death. There’s no logic, nor original thought here. Just more obstinate baiting for BS roundabout arguments that keep going in circles, and never engaged in good faith.
I wish you people would grow TF up, but we all know you never will.
He didn’t do shit except tell people not to wear a mask and to shine a light up their asses.
Do you actually not remember 2020?
Don’t forget, he also told people to inject bleach and take dangerous doses of horse dewormer.
Except that he did not tell people to inject bleach. That’s misinformation.
Also, calling ivermectin a “horse dewormer” is disingenuous and saying he has made claims about dosages is a lie. Yes, it was originally intented for veterinary use but it was approved for human use too in 1987. People used to buy the paste meant for animals to treat a skin condition because at the time that was the only way to get ivermectin without a perscription which doctors would refuse to write them. That’s where the horse dewormer narrative originates from. However, it’s a legitimate drug (though ineffective against COVID) and to claim otherwise is just partisan thinking not based in reality.
He never explicity instructed people to inject bleach, no. But he went on TV and suggested, as President during a press conference with doctors, that disinfectants might be helpful for internal infections. Snopes is being overly pedantic here. He fucking told people to inject bleach and we all watched it happen with our own eyes and ears. You are the one gaslighting here.
If it doesn’t work on what you presribe it for, then it’s not a drug for that. There is no partisaning in it. The Orange was president of one of the richest countries on this planet and he, full of confidence, said such stupidity that it hurts ( and whoever belived him did hurt, especially the dead ones ). He had an army of doctors at his disposal, including Army doctors, and he claimed things a homless guy down the street could tell you are fucking stupid. He’s a great leader, that one.
How is this relevant? This isn’t about wether ivermectin is a treament for COVID or not. It’s about wether Trump has told people to take dangerous doses of it for which I can’t find any evidence for.
If you had a vaginal yeast infection and the doctor told you “take an aspirine and you’l be fine”, that doctor would be fucked. You can say “oh, but Orange is obviously not a doctor”. But, again, he was in a position of authority, with enough resources easily at his diposal to know better. He is objectively so stupid that he is objectively harmful when put in a position of authority. And he proved it in a crysis when he said that a placebo is a cure and that doctors idk some stupid conspiracy or whatever. Do you understand ?
I’m not defending everything Trump has said about ivermectin. My argument is that this specific claim about telling people to take dangerous doses of it is incorrect. If you think I’m mistaken, then please provide me with the quote where he says this because I can’t find it myself.
There was plenty false information about covid and the cures/treatments back then. “Masks don’t protect you from the virus” “The vaccine gives you immunity” “Lab leak theory is conspiracy and xenophobic” etc. It was a moving target. We dealt with the information we had. Some of it turned out to be wrong, some right. I can’t blame people for looking alternative treatments especially when for the longest time vaccines weren’t even available.
He deliberately downplayed the infectiousness of the virus very early stages, and then spread anti-vaccine misinformation afterwards. As the US is a major air transport hub for, this also led to casualties in countries where it would have been a non-event. Early restrictions and screening on flights from China, then subsequent following of Fauci’s recommendations would have made a huge difference.
Sure