• foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev
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    it’s called dehumanization and we know where that leads to.

    other might nowadays create similar depictions of other government heads that can also be considered shit bags and are involved in a war making that obvious.

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      As long as it’s not disparaging a group of people, I’m okay with a person being displayed as a funny monkey.

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      I’m not sure if this is what you meant, but I can see the argument that it’s important to not dehumanise people like Putin, Hitler, and the rest, as these pure evil creatures. If we can’t see them as nuanced people, with both wicked and decent sides to them, we’ll lose the ability to recognise the next up and coming tyrant.

      It’s a difficult topic. Yes, there’s harm in completely demonize a person or group of people, but at the same time, Putin is actively waging an unjust war murdering hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and his own people. Hardly a time to bring up his love of… whatever non-polarizing topics he cares for.

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        with both wicked and decent sides to them

        that isn’t my point, if one of them had a decent side, i’d give a f. but they are human beings like you and me. i can only reiterate, we’ve seen that often enough and where this leads to.

        there’s harm in completely demonize a person or group of people

        particularly that it makes it more difficult to find a stable political solution to the underlying conflicts.

        murdering hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and his own people.

        luckily that’s an exaggeration. it might apply to russian combatants though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Casualties

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    Wow, that degree of blatant racism is a new low for this community.

    So it’s ok to be racist as long as it’s against russians?

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      You mad? You russian? If the answer is yes to either, thank you for making my day.

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          Wait until you find out about the Xi Jinping Winnie the Pooh images. If you think this is what racism is, you need to go back to school.

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            Is there historical precedent of racist caricatures depicting a group of people as cute cartoon teddy bears?

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              There is no historical precedent of racist depiction of russians as monkeys. there is however a history of racist depiction of russians as bears, including teddy bears.

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                From Wikipedia:

                However, Russians have also used it to represent their country, where it has been used as a “symbol of national pride”

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      Racism or other forms of discrimination apply to a protected class of people; any group sharing attributes beyond their control (bearing dark skin, a particular place of birth, a religion, etc)

      Russians are a protected class. Vladimir Putin, the evil individual who ordered an unprovoked war on Ukraine causing thousands of innocent deaths, is not a protected class.

      While I have seen racist uses of monkey imagery towards black people, never have I seen it towards Russians. In conclusion, there is strong implication that this meme targets the latter, not the former.

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      How do you find it racist? How is this meme directed against Russians? Do you really not see the familiarities between Putin and Adolf Hitler? Are you okay, mate?

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        Putin’s clearly supposed to look like a monkey in the picture (also: “Mein Banan”). I didn’t even see the connection to Hitler.

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                Caricaturing people of other ethnicities look like monkeys to degrade them has a looong, racist tradition. About 100 years ago, russians were considered a backwards, horde of uncivilized asian/mongols in Europe.

                I simply see these kinds of caricatures as racist. And I’m not alone in this.

                It’s about as cool as depicting him as a kraken (antisemitic), or as a drag queen, to “own” him.

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                  About 100 years ago, russians were considered a backwards, horde of uncivilized asian/mongols in Europe.

                  About 100 years ago Europe had just faced Russian raping and pillaging in a world War, and they’d soon face it again in the next war. For all intents and purposes, they were a backward horde of uncivilized fucks.

                  But hey, they are sure proving they’re different nowadays, with them raping their way through another war.

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          Hitler is famous for his book “Mein Kampf” which translates to “My fight” the book cover is literally almost the same.

          Still don’t get how making fun of a warmonger using a history person makes me racist tho.

          Is it that you look highly at Putin and have embraced his cult of personality?