[alt text: an illustration of a person with a head-empty expression on their face, who is saying, “Not letting your cat outside is CRUEL!” Around the person are various gruesome scenes of different cats in distress. From the top and going clockwise, the scenes include: a cat being carried away by a hawk; a cat that is on fire; a dead cat in the road that has been run over by a car; several dead kittens; a cat that is missing an eye and various patches of fur; a cat that is feasting on a songbird; and a cat that is being carried away by a coyote. The person appears to be completely oblivious to these scenes of distress.]

    • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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      2 months ago

      i guess, if you enjoy being a menace to your local ecology. Then go off, king.

      The guy mentions “destruction of the local mouse population” and this is your answer? So you think those mice are native? They’d exist if humans weren’t here?

      They are the same issue as cats… They’re only here and only thriving because we accidentally give them too much safety/places to live/food. They would also be invasive.

      • coyotino [he/him]@beehaw.orgOP
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        2 months ago

        you’re fooling yourself if you think that cat is only catching mice. if you let your cat roam outdoors, put a camera on them and marvel at all the creatures they kill while they are “exploring”

      • Swallowtail@beehaw.org
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        2 months ago

        There are native mice all over the place. Yes, some are introduced/invasive, but there are also plenty of native ones too. If you live in the Americas, here’s the subfamilies they make up:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_rats_and_mice

        Mice serve as food for animals like owls, hawks, falcons, snakes, skunks, etc. Cats killing these animals’ prey makes it harder for them to find food.

        • Saik0@lemmy.saik0.com
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          2 months ago

          Didn’t know that “owls, hawks, falcons, snakes, skunks, etc.” all live inside of buildings.

        • BorgDrone@lemmy.one
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          2 months ago

          You don’t even know where I live. What endangered songbirds? Also: very few cats are actually capable of catching birds. We mostly have jackdaws around here, and they are way too smart to get caught. They like to taunt the cats.

          • coyotino [he/him]@beehaw.orgOP
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            2 months ago

            read the study yourself. The most commonly preyed-upon species by cats is birds. It’s a global problem. I will grant you that perhaps cats fit slightly better into the urban ecosystems of Europe, but this is a minor point. They still have an outsized population due to human influence, so they will always be massively disruptive to local ecology. And none of this is considering the danger posed to the cats themselves, whom we all love.

      • erin (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        2 months ago

        Trolling, intentionally obtuse, or just dumb? Because as we all know, cats never kill anything but pests. Native animals would never become endangered because of domesticated cats. At least put a bell on them or something so they don’t kill the wildlife.

        • BorgDrone@lemmy.one
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          2 months ago

          That depends entirely on where you live. Cats are pretty much native animals here in Europe.

          At least put a bell on them or something so they don’t kill the wildlife.

          Tell me you’ve never owned a cat without telling me you’ve never owned a cat.

          • coyotino [he/him]@beehaw.orgOP
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            2 months ago

            even if they are native animals, the SIZE of their population is caused by humans, and so they are disruptive to their local ecology. and bell or no bell, letting your cat outside unsupervised is leaving them to get hit by a car, or tortured by mean kids, or scooped up by a predator, or stealth-adopted by someone who cares about the well-being of cats more than you do. I’m assuming you wouldn’t be happy with any of those things happening to your cat.

          • erin (she/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            2 months ago

            I own two cats, and they both have bells. They haven’t killed any wildlife since then. Cats are not native animals in Europe, they are very much invasive and devastated local populations of birds and small mammals.