After all the shenanigans two weeks ago – everyone discovering nasty little problems in release candidate 2 – the last week was suspiciously quiet, and therefore I can finally say: Python 3.13.0 is now available This is the stable release of Python 3.13.0 Python 3.13.0 is the newest major release of the Python programming language, and it contains many new features and optimizations compared to Python 3.12. (Compared to the last release candidate, 3.13.0rc3, 3.13.0 contains two small bug fixe...
  • FizzyOrange@programming.dev
    182·
    2 months ago

    Wow, they (apparently) finally made the REPL not suck! I always thought it was weird how shit it was given that it’s one of the big reasons Python has become as popular as it is.

    Maybe in another 20 years they can make the package tooling not suck too.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
      101·
      2 months ago

      poetry has made the package tooling generally not suck for me, and uv seems to be getting better. Just a few more PEPs to go until uv does what I want. Here’s hoping.

      • FizzyOrange@programming.dev
        3·
        2 months ago

        Yeah it’s definitely a vast improvement on previous attempts (Poetry et al).

        I dunno if it can be called solved until it’s officially sanctioned and installed by default though, and I don’t see that happening for a very long time.

          • FizzyOrange@programming.dev
            4·
            2 months ago

            It actually works. I tried poetry once and it failed to resolve some simple dependency specification.

            Ok you can say it was a fluke bug but it didn’t inspire confidence.

            uv is also freakishly fast. My venv setup times went from 57 seconds to 7 seconds. I seriously doubt Poetry can do that because it’s written in Python.

          • Buttons@programming.devEnglish
            2·
            2 months ago

            I abandoned poetry after it was unable to install a specific version of pytorch I was using.

            In pip I would do something like pip3 install torch torchvision torchaudio --index-url https://download.pytorch.org/whl/cu118, but IIRC poetry didn’t support the --index-url option.

    • solrize@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 months ago

      The Python REPL was always sort of minimal when used from the command line, but is quite usable in an Emacs window. IDLE is also useful some of the time. I never felt the need for anything like Eclipse because of it.

    • brettvitaz@programming.devEnglish
      2·
      2 months ago

      Maybe because people who needed it knew there were better ways to do it, like ipython and Jupyter. I’ve never heard of anyone gushing about the stock REPL.