• WhatWouldKarlDo@lemmygrad.ml
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      3 days ago

      When has the US EVER been a democracy?

      At it’s conception through the 19th century, they were exterminating my people, and black people were seen as more useful subhumans, so they were kept alive. Women of course were just there to make babies.

      Near the end of the 19th century, black men fought hard, and gained the right to vote for the oppressor of their choice. They were still killed if they dared to do so though.

      White women gained the right to choose their oppressor in the early 20th century. In the words of Susan B Anthony:

      “I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ever work or demand the ballot for the Negro and not the woman.”

      Today, things haven’t changed much. We have the right to vote now, so long as the police haven’t trumped up an excuse to arrest us. Murdering our women is still rampant. The last election saw the choice between Donald Trump (need I say more?), and a rich black oligarch who campaigned heavily on genocide. Americans like to forget the genocide was the basis for “their country”. We want our land back. We want an end to your “democracy”. It’s nothing but genocide wrapped in lies.

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        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

        In case it wasn’t clear what I was asking about, Sanders claims to have lost family to the Holocaust, which to me doesn’t sound as denial.

        The fact that America doesn’t really practice democracy while simultaneously trying to force it on others is shitty (but also wasn’t the question).

        • ghost_of_faso3@lemmygrad.ml
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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#Broader_conceptions_of_genocide

          I can post wikipedia articles as well

          Scholars focusing on genocides of Indigenous peoples criticize the view of the Holocaust as unique, arguing it diminishes the significance of Indigenous genocides, which are often seen as lesser or primitive and reinforce Eurocentrism. They believe this comparison undermines the moral standing of Indigenous survivors compared to Jewish survivors.

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            The word holocaust has a pretty specific event related to it. If you say “genocide denier” we would be on the same page.

            I can see why people don’t federate with this instance

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                Just so we are on the same page - you people are getting angry because I am using a word the way the rest of the world uses it. The sentiment here seems to be that Bernie Sanders is the best option on the left, but you hope he dies, because only having worse people would be better I guess? I have agreed with the point that he has glossed over genocide in America… and yet everything I’ve said is being downvoted, and I’m now a “klanner”.

                Again, I can see why people don’t like federating with lemmy.ml. It seems like a decent portion of people here are edgy contrarians just for the sake of it.

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                  Liberals are white supremacists, they are all irredeemably evil

                  They say “muh civility” while doing mass murder

                  Edit: oh and they all lie about the holocaust too

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      Saying America has been defending democracy for 250 worlds is holocaust denial, yes; ignoring the part they played in genociding the native americans, the adventurism that killed 10+ million people between 1945-current day.

      In no part of history has America ever defended democracy.