• Suavevillain@lemmy.world
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    Fascism has always been a feature of America and part of this country’s core. The Trump admin is a real threat. It doesn’t help the Dems fighting against fascist are perfectly fine with standing by and working with fascists with bipartisan efforts that only go in the right-wing direction.

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      No. Not same sides. Don’t. The problem is the fascists. Not the naivete of civil servants trying to fund the VA and Medicare.

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        If you stand beside fascists and are fine with state violence and genocide, you aren’t some type of pillar of democracy. The reason the GOP is so strong no matter what they do, Dems will still address them as their friends and colleagues. While the GOP fights dirty and stays committed to long term goals in lock step.

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          What are you doing each day when you’re not on your keyboard? The party represents the constituents. People are naive to the zero sum game stakes at hand. So they vote themselves into DNC positions. They’re just people. Like you and me.

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            All people can do is support each other through mutual aid and education and local elections. The long track record of just pick the lesser evil and vote harder isn’t working. Not much people can do.

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    I hate to break it to all the libs - but the US is already (and has been in the past) about as fascist as it can get. You want to see institutionalized (and perfectly normalized) fascism for yourself? Just look for your nearest cop - you won’t have to look long.

    Liberals have always signed on to US fascism - as long as it wasn’t aimed at them, libs were fine with the imperialism and class repression (all the things you can’t do without fascists) long before Trump was even born.

    Trump is not a fascist - he’s merely cosplaying as one. Trump knows he couldn’t drain the swamp even if he wanted to - the swamp made him. This is not good news - the swamp (ie, the US political establishment) has always nurtured and maintained fascism to keep the people at the bottom from threatening the people at the top. US fascism is nothing new. - this call was always coming from inside the house.

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      “…and this is why there shouldn’t be any taxes” C’mon, go ahead, round that the corner, libertarian - we all know you want to.

      I don’t think you know what actual fascism is, or what it looks like. Your statement reads like you are boycotting universities and have casually avoided being “educated” by “credited professionals” so that you don’t turn a “decent person” who “contributes to society” and “understands words”.

      Keep fighting that good fight, you do your own research!

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      This is you, discouraging the basic practice of voting and then cowering away when you’re called out.

      You’re a troll, obsessed with (and speaking as if you understand) the nuance of the US while you’re all the way in South Africa. You have nothing to say and you’re universally disliked.

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        Lol!

        I can’t answer posts that Lemmy physically won’t allow me to answer, genius.

        (and speaking as if you understand) the nuance of the US while you’re all the way in South Africa

        Yes… and? Is this the first time you’ve encountered people outside the US that understands US politics better than the majority of people inside the US?

        Guess what… there’s nothing strange about that.

        You have nothing to say and you’re universally disliked.

        Come now, liberal - I’m “universally disliked” because I have “nothing to say”? I expect that is going to make about as much sense as anything else I’m going to get out of you.

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        I guess you’re not well-acqainted with US history? You know… the parts that inspired the Nazis and the Apartheid-regime?

        I don’t think you know how bad it can get… or how bad it already is for the people the US designates as “other.” And pretending that this can all be blamed on a cartoon fascist is peak white liberalism.

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          I am, that’s why I know that the lived reality in Germany and the US doesn’t resemble Nazi Germany in the slightest. The pogrom in Rostock-Lichtenhagen, the MOVE bombing, the Waco siege, and so on happened decades ago. In Nazi Germany, the state wantonly attacking “others” on that scale while crushing resistance like that was the daily norm, cheered on by the general public.

          There’s absolutely no comparison to what’s happening these days: not in scale, not in public acceptance, and not in institutionalization. It’s tragic what people are suffering from, but it’s completely insane to think that we’re living under fascism. Have you seen the images of Auschwitz? Have you read a single interview with someone who actually survived fascism?

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            I am

            So you are aware as to how the phenomenon we refer to as fascism today has always been a fundamental aspect built right into the very foundations of the US and every other classical liberal nation state?

            If you’re not, you need to go back to reading.

            the MOVE bombing, the Waco siege, and so on happened decades ago.

            And what has actually changed since then? Has the function fascism renders to the liberal nation state magically disappeared, perhaps?

            and not in institutionalization.

            Really? What kind of armaments do the most visible form of institutionalized fascism (ie, the police) carry around these days?

            but it’s completely insane to think that we’re living under fascism.

            You’ve been living with it all your life. You just don’t recognize it because the liberals don’t take the leash off their pet fascists around you.

            Have you read a single interview with someone who actually survived fascism?

            Lots of people survive fascism - like everybody in my country that was born before 1990. Your conception of fascism is downright cartoonish - that’s why you are so incapable of realizing that you are already living with it all around you.

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    We’ve seen it, us who live outside of America and have had the pleasure of being invaded. Must be nice to use everyone else’s land as battlefields and never having to fight one at home, and ignoring the atrocities and fascism committed by your armies on foreign soil.

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      WWI and WW2 were absolutely necessary actions to contain others aggression. The Korean war is the only reason that the entirety of Korea isn’t under an insane dictatorship. Afghanistan attacked the US (stupidly enough) Iraq v1 was to contain a war of aggression.

      Vietnam and Iraq v2 were wrong.

      and fascism committed by your armies on foreign soil.

      How does one commit a fascism?